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Vegetto is stated to be the strongest though.

I prefer the manga's version honestly. The whole vibe invoked a feeling of dread and hopelessness which is what was the intention. Even with Goku around, the situation seemed helpless. Both Tenshinhan and Kami don't think Goku would fare any better than Trunks and Vegeta did against the Androids...

It wouldn't matter. That's the only metric we can go by. But regardless, Goku compares it to his own and Kaioken x20 Blue Goku is stronger than Rage Trunks. Going by what we know, Goku's U7 Genkidama should be stronger. Merged Zamasu didn't really seem crippled by Vegetto's attacks but...

Based on what I mentioned, the components. The argument you proposed is not a valid argument because you're presupposing a conclusion. For you to prove that Trunks' Genki Sword is stronger, you are going to have to prove that Jiren was in fact, weaker than Merged Zamasu. This is strange since...

Sr. Perfect Cell loses quite badly.

Okay you convinced me.

Yeah, he says it's like a Genkidama so we would assume that it's very similar. Beyond the components of the attack and whoever is commanding it, I'm not sure how you would conclude that Trunks' attack is greater than Goku's. I'll have to rewatch Episode 127 to make that judgment. I do recall...

That would be your opinion. DragonBall Super Broly and Super Hero both piggy off the back of Super and were very successful. Moreover, Super has been going on longer than Z has which didn't hinder Super's success at all. Had GT been a product of its time, I don't think DragonBall fatigue would...

Why is the Genki Sword above the Genkidama which is pushed by a much stronger character with genki that exceeds the genki Trunks collected? I'm not sure what the difference is between Goku (127) and Goku (123) but I pretty much agree with the list.

Okay, but how come it's doing way better than GT?

So worldwide, Super Hero was a big success. If it sucked so bad, how come it's raking in more and more fans compared to GT which failed?

But it's still doing very well. Just like at how well Super Hero performed despite the anime being on hiatus for 4+ years already.

Yes. Gotenks would have definitely won had he been serious from the start.

Trunk's Grade 3 was explicitly stated to make them slower. Grade 2 was explicitly shown to be faster than Super Saiyan and still a useful form given that Vegeta stuck with Grade 2 after discarding Grade 3.

Since Vegeta is inferred to be the strongest one, I take it to mean that Gotenks only surpassed Vegeta once he entered the Rosat. To reconcile it with what we are told of Gotenks being the strongest and having the power to beat Buu, I figure the Daizenshuu was referencing Base Gotenks...

Lol. I'd rather not get into the whole piracy thing but that is pretty awesome that you still did this. Though I think chapter 86 should still be available on Viz for free, no? Anywho, glad you could make it. Enjoy your stay (or return) on DBZeta.

Most likely. It'd be the same reason why Buu retains consciousness even after being blown to smithereens.

Do you think Buutenks needed a 35% advantage to dominate Gohan the way he did?

True. I'd probably shift Trunks to a 92. Close to Vegeta yet still a decent enough gap to justify the inferior performance against Android 18.

Super Buu/SSJ3 Gotenks: 100 Ultimate Gohan: 160 Buutenks: 200 I think that works well enough.