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Yeah Vegeta ain’t all that strong here imo, I think Ginyu is assuming he’d use all of Vegeta’s power not the same situation with Goku. Goku was a special case.

Ginyu wasn’t able to utilize Goku’s full power, but with Vegeta he probably could.

The simplest answer is the best. Vegeta received a continuous zenkai just like Krillen and Gohan did. The real answer is plot, the best in universe answer is a continuous power up. Gohan and Krillen had no nap and still powered up tremendously. The only variable between the three is the means...

Yes, initially Vegeta doesn’t think he’s stronger than Goku and then he starts saying that this increase he got is no ordinary increase. Neither does the continuous Guru power up but it’s a better explanation than plot induced increases for no reason.

Ok let’s explore this power again. So Vegeta immediately after sensu and Vegeta when fighting jeice. I got Vegeta at 40k or 45k after the immediate sensu and against Jeice at 75k

What proof you have that transformations change?

Well that’s the issue from a narrative standpoint. If your life is on the line what excuse is there for not doing your best? Is it possible there is no amp? And KKx3 Goku was just weakened?

Yeah maybe no amp is really the best way to go. Raditz acts as if amp is crazy but Krillen and Yamcha blast aren’t a assumed to be amped now are they?

These guys are arguing for 1.1x power ups essentially across the board. They are willing to change all of their logic to make the guidebook number work. It’s heavy duty bias.

Because of a plethora of evidence to go against that. There’s not much in way of evidence to suggest Freeza isn’t getting tremendous boost continuously rather the opposite. Freeza is stated to have powered up astoundingly and many comments on his never ending power. 1.1x boosts have been...

Freeza’s first transformation doubled his power.

Nappa's durability is not enough to defeat Goku's skill and Goku's own toughness. Goku will prevail no doubt, but it will be a long drawn out fight. Nappa is just a tough dude and can take a beating, like Reecome. Doesn't mean power levels are all that different. Nappa is at least 8,000.

Freeza also held onto it for quite a while. Goku immediately takes the full brunt of the blast. I'm sure that's a factor too. Man, it's interesting to think about how ki blasts cause damage, this is creative thinking here. What causes a blast to detonate? And what causes it to just push you...

He didn't improve his Kamehameha as far as I'm concerned. If he didn't improve it in 5 years, I don't think he improved it in the last year either. I don't think it's improved until the Androids Saga. Goku is not busy raising a son. We've seen his parenting skills. He just trains! This dude is...

I don't agree with a 7,100 Oozaru Gohan, it's way too strong. I think Gohan being around 150 or so is fine. I got King Kai > King Yemma > Oozaru Gohan Gohan ain't all that strong, it's when he's emotional does his power really excel. Even with a year of training, he can't surpass Krillen. So...

Goku didn’t train much? Lol What makes you think that? Piccolo can threaten to take over the world at any moment.

Goldilocks zone. Strong enough to hurt him, weak enough to not send him flying. Goku is capable of killing himself with a max amped blast. He’s only alive because he held back.

Did it improve in 5 years after the 23rd Budokai?

We got overwhelming evidence from multiple characters that Goku vs Nappa wouldn’t determine a winner for a long period of time. It would be a long drawn out fight. That’s only possible if they are very close rivals.

Which means Gokus attack is just better not that he’s stronger