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The most undeniable instance of Krillin getting stronger is when he goes from just "over 10k" against Gurd to exceeding Ginyu-in-Goku's ~23k. There's no good explanation for that boost except for Guru boost shenanigans, and then we can surmise that this continues up until Freeza's fight based on...

KHH at BoZ is ~2.22x. There's no getting around that. It's reasonable to assume that Vegeta isn't nearly as good at ki amplification as Goku, considering that Raditz, who hung around him a lot, wasn't even familiar with the concept. Even Vegeta was weirded out at the power of Gohan's Masenko.

Yeah. Right now I go by Freeza vs warmup Goku being a level in between Freeza kicking the blast and Freeza's "increased speed" vs Vegeta.

People don't talk about Vegeta or Raditz much because their full powers are stated in the text. Examining how Freeza uses his power during his fights and what he accomplishes at each "level" allows powerlevelfags to arrive at the more "important" stuff with greater specificity. And the levels...

Yeah, he raised his speed. I dunno what you mean by Goku and Vegeta.

Well, here's one pretty concrete example...Vegeta can follow Freeza's movement at first, but then can't soon after.

It is important. The fact that they're using varying degrees of effort comes straight from their mouths. More doable than you'd think.

The fight shows that Freeza is blatantly inferior. Goku basically always comes out on top in their real exchanges. But Freeza can still fight the guy. Dodoria couldn't fight Vegeta. Zarbon couldn't fight Vegeta. Vegeta couldn't fight KKx3 Goku.

There's still value in training even in 1G, so it stands to reason that there's value in training in 150G even if you've mastered 300G. It's not THAT tricky. The 150G scene lays it all out. We know that Vegeta got used to it at a low level of power, and we know that Trunks who is in possession...

I have always assumed that Freeza is using his second level here, not his first one.

"do you think" Do some research. It's insane that you didn't consider Gundam, for example. 1. Pokemon 2. Anpanman 3. Gundam 4. Dragon Ball 5. Fist of the North Star 6. One Piece 7. Yu-Gi-Oh! If you count Hello Kitty, then that'd be #2, but it's really a merchandising character first and...

He actually got unlucky, because Dabura was too weak regardless.

They were ready, that's all. Roshi, a member of the old guard, is the one who says all of those things, but only Goku and Tenshinhan surpassed him. On the other hand, it's weird to make a big deal out of Tao being bested when he'd just beaten another Kame-sennin student who could've done it too.

The story just doesn't read right if all of Kame-sennin's disciples surpassed Tao.

Vegeta's amp is actually the one thing I was most unsure of. You're probably right that it should be smaller, but it still has to be strong enough to give Freeza pause even for a split second. I'd have to make a Saiyan arc list first, since whatever he's using here probably isn't any worse than...

I haven't done this in 5+ years. Gohan (potential unlock): 10,800 Krillin (potential unlock): 10,100 Vegeta: 29,800 Gurd: 5,000 Recoom: 40,000 Butta: 40,000 Jheese: 40,000 Goku: 90,000 - vs Ginyus: 66,000 - vs Ginyu: 75,000 - KKx2: 180,000 Ginyu: 120,000 - vs Goku: 80,000 - in Goku: <23,000...

It's unnamed, but there's no reason he wouldn't use his strongest attack there. Though you can get away with making it < SBC because he knows Cell would regenerate from SBC.

Pui Pui throws one kick. That's it. Realistically, that should still be enough for onlookers to gauge his level if they really wanted to, but Vegeta receives all the attention in this sequence. If Vegeta far exceeds expectations, then that's all Kaioshin is gonna think about. Kaioshin was...

r u sure about that

The problem with DBS is there are two different versions of it that run concurrently with each other. Unless I’ve misunderstood and everyone accepts that one version takes precedence over the other. Base > Piccolo is difficult enough to handwave with just the Boo arc though. The weirdest thing...