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We don't know how genki translates to battle power so it's not really proof of anything. Actually, it does. The narrative clearly shows that Elder Kaioshin is oblivious to what Buu is capable of which is explicitly why Kaioshin walks the Elder through Buu's history. In fact, Elder Kaioshin...

I don't really doubt Gotenks' strength here. All I am saying is that this is a false equivalence because Gohan was never completely confident in Gotenks' chances of winning whereas Goku was confident in Gohan beating Buucollo. Your main point here is that Goten only claimed that Gohan was...

It's backward thinking. There's literally no possible way Super Saiyan Goku retained the power of Super Saiyan God with the argument you're presenting. It's a contradiction. All I'm asking is if you had definitive proof Goku had god ki which you have constantly dodged.

What I'm saying is that it's not proof because Kid Buu's unique body granted him significant advantages in his fight with Goku. Goku explicitly complained that Kid Buu kept bouncing back with no issues because Kid Buu's ki never drops and he can mitigate damage via regeneration. Those are the...

Gohan never disagreed with Buu's recognition of Gohan merely being stronger. Regardless, Gohan told Gotenks to be careful so he wasn't certain of the outcome, unlike Goku who was certain that Gohan could have beaten Super Buu. False equivalence.

The only argument to be made here is that Kid Buu was completely unpredictable by emitting a planetary-level attack that no one had anticipated. Therefore, they didn't have time to properly react to it. That was seen back on Planet Namek where Goku couldn't stop Frieza from nearly destroying its...

Why are you laughing? I haven't said anything offensive to you.

No one also disagreed when Goku claimed a full power blast could kill Kid Buu or when Beerus stated that Goku got stronger? Clearly a double standard. Old Kaioshin never saw Kid Buu and there's no proof he knew about his combat capabilities.

Classic cherrypicking. Glad you agree that SSJ3 Goku can't do anything to Buutenks.

Super Buu also says Ultimate Gohan was only stronger than him. Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P2.3-4 Boo: “Far, far, waa~~aay far away, I felt a strong power…I won’t allow anyone to have a power stronger than mine…”

Everyone underestimated Kid Buu, so Kid Buu can be stronger than Vegetto.

That's Goku's word which hasn't been proven.

@Natasha Romanoff Agree to disagree. I won't engage in this intellectual dishonesty.

Oh shoot, I just made the connection. Natasha... Natosha... Very sneaky.

Tosh making a comeback would be cool. Never got to speak with the guy.

@Natasha Romanoff Goku doesn't think they can do anything against Super Buu from the outside. That's literally why Kid Buu came to be...

is Kid Buu stronger than Vegetto?

@Natasha Romanoff Those statements aren't proof that Kid Buu is stronger. No one denies that Kid Buu can deal with Super Saiyan 3 Goku. While Goku receives damage and his ki declines, Buu is completely fresh and acts as though nothing happened. At that point, Goku is no longer a threat. On...

I honestly don't really have much to say. Your interpretation really is valid. My understanding is that Piccolo wasn't sure if Gotenks was stronger than Super Buu hence why he suggests that he's at least "on par" with Super Buu. That leads me to believe that Piccolo's uncertainty would suggest...

It wouldn't matter. The statement is ambiguous and you haven't proven exactly why your interpretation is guaranteed. Without that, your argument is just an assumption. The word "seems" is often used when making a basic observation. It doesn't change the meaning of the statement other than to...