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Shuush P, I'm done with you. You had your time and bored me. :troll

Well yeah, but in this case the evidence for Vegeta being told that off screen would be that the kids defended themselves against the Cell Juniors, hence they can't be as strong as androids saga Trunks, ok... But if each could defend, with each one arm, the strike from more than one Cell Junior...

Yeah tho you are the #1 fanbuddy. We may play as well later on. Choose the topic boyyy I'm no Japanese but I'll give my best

Pyrus will be my playing partner now. Have had enough of P. :troll

Your example isn't comparable at all. The character was saying something that happened with them off screen, we are to accept under normal circumstances, of course. Here, we don't have information of Vegeta's awareness occurring off screen, only that he knew 17 witnessed a Trunks. The...

Yeah very tired. It's like zombie mode at this point.

Didn't you say you had a 1.5x amp?

Ok, so 2x works. It's kinda whatever

What's the actual quote again

Yeah I think the Cell Juniors went at them with everything. They still could defend from 2 of them simultaneously.

He did, because Majin Boo was shown saying that afterwards. Where do we get this clue here?

Nah. I just used the standard 2x gap for that one. One thing it's interesting is that Cell says if he absorbs Kamiccolo, his initial stage evolution will be always complete, possibly referencing his imperfect form strength needed to absorb the androids. When he was finished absorbing the humans...

Here you go in circles again...

Well, how can you gauge how much they're holding back? If yiu have opened the precedent for them to be holding their power, then it can be easily argued to be a lot too

An assumption that has no backing, specially since you said the Cell Juniors were holding back.

So am I.

No, you assume it must have happened. Big difference.

Know what? You're assuming he was told this. The quote isn't evidence as we don't know which Trunks he was comparing.

We don't.

Right, saying you saw my son, when there's no evidence Vegeta knows 17 was seeing through Cell... And says my kid is as good at... In a context meant around protecting the island from random poachers. Any statement comparing the two would fly, in Vegeta's mind, to convince 17. He didn't need get...