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Edited all of my levels pretty much.

Well, I'm not so averse to having the kids at the Cell Juniors level. It's just that Super doesn't lay it out clearly. The comparison Vegeta made is when flimsy... Which gets the point accross anyway he puts it --- that his kid is also strong. And the Cell Juniors altercation was one panel only.

You have nothing to base off this happening off screen. It wasn't shown. It just amounts to speculation without basis.

No. You prove Vegeta knows that when we didn't see him being informed by anyone and Goku needed to be informed by that by 17. Burden of proof is on you.

Well, the burden of proof is actually on you to prove Vegeta knew 17 was awake seeing everything when Cell absorbed him. Goku didn't know that. Cell Juniors were laughing. You can attack at FP while laughing. In a way to convince 17 Trunks was fit to defend the island against poachers. He...

Yes, but did Vegeta know that?

Even more so in Vegeta's case. What Trunks needed to do was protect the island against random poachers. Whatever comparison Vegeta made to the Trunks 17 knew would get the 17's confidence all the same. He didn't need to get into specifics about power comparisons in a matter as trivial as...

Ok, but you need to know Vegeta knew 17 didn't see future Trunks post RoSaT... And that such a statement may just be a roundabout way of saying his son is also capable, as the task didn't require much. Didn't require strength. Whatever Vegeta said would convey the point. They also were fending...

Ok, but here Vegeta was talking to 17 about Trunks' ability... Which Trunks does Vegeta know 17 saw? He knows he saw the one who got stomped by him... Were him aware of 17 seeing Trunks later on when as far as Vegeta knew, he was already nonexistent by being absorbed by Cell? Unlikely. Also...

Well, maybe the kids being ~ Cell Juniors can be a placement to consider

Who implies he does? Vegeta? How?

Going back to this though, did Vegeta know 17 was aware of CGs Trunks? Most likely not, he'd be aware 17 knew of the Trunks who got mauled by 17 and 18. But the effort in which the kids defended from the Cell Juniors attack, in all honesty, remembers me of the way future Trunks was struggling...

Minimalism my ass :troll

Is that lowballing or an ok placement?

I didn't say that. You can infer which gap is bigger by the way they tanked the other's attack. I'm saying you you can't say "x tank gap must have a certain gap over y tanking gap"... That is, determining how far apart the gaps should be beyond gap A > gap B. With Piccolo, we can't know how...

You can't make gaps for tank gaps. You may say gap A is > gap B because of tanking better, sure, but determining by how much the gaps should be spaced out is already tripping a lot. If Vegeta vs Semi Cell is a 70/100, who's to say a 60/100 can't tank way more efficiently? We don't know how...

I don't see your point. You refer to 19 vs Vegeta and Gohan vs Cell? Well, that'd change little in the overall levels, really. Maybe it'd change the gaps, but the overall structure of the list would be pretty much the same, so why bother with specifics things such as tanking gaps while the...

I don't know. I don't take Super into account.

Voice chat? Is there a VC option here on the forum or am I missing something?