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Very nice comparison, Goku9001 Your mumbers are fine P, but I see Piccolo being 1,500,000 at FP as sufficient. Freeza being 1,850,000 in his second transformation... You may consider it a small gap, but how can you quantify that? That may be bigger than Vegeta's advantage over Dodoria...

Because Goten/Trunks and Gohan aren't into fighting. He has found a kid who has the dream of a youngster and is excited by fighting him. It doesn't reflect on how he compares to Gohan. Much the same way, if Goku knows he can't never compete with Gohan, then there's no reason to be excited for a...

That's no implication of it. That's implication that Goku wants to fight Oob when Oob is at his best. There's no comparison to Gohan. Did you expect Goku to be excited to fight Gohan when Gohan isn't even a fighter? If Gohan were stronger, it'd be justifable too... Goku knows he can't catch up...

That's not implication for it. Again, Gohan became a scholar... Goku knows he has no time and the will to train with him. Neither does Goten and Trunks. It seems Goku was enjoying taking the master role to release the amazing potential of a talented kid (kinda like many masters did to him...

I'm talking about the original manga only. I've no interest in speaking about Super which is just in a different vibe from the original story, portrays characters differently, with their personalities off, hasn't tried to keep itself consistent with the EoZ... I see the EoZ attached to the OG...

Not in the manga, it doesn't.

Well all I see are assumptions based on feelings on Goku being the strongest there. Nothing concrete from what I see, just a subjective "the story flows better that way".

That world saving thing is more like a facade, Vegeta saw through Goku's most blatant intentions, battling Oob when he's at FP.

Goku knows Gohan isn't a fighter like he is and isn't with his heart there. In peaceful times, Gohan prioritises studying... That's what he likes to do. He's only on battle mode when there's danger looming in. Gohan seemed very dedicated based on the library there was on his house... Goku wants...

"pure" strongest. #1. May be referring to strength in a general sense, he has the heart of the strongest... He doesn't give up and is always striving to improve himself with pure intentions.

I think Cui would give 18k Vegeta a good fight. Vegeta would win but it seemed from a narrative standpoint that it'd be tough for sure. His win would come due to his skills and innate warrior ability, but it'd be tough. The story seems to prioritise similar BPs in face of skills. Vegeta could...

As for Oob, he would get excited training him whether he was above Gohan or not. First off, he got Gohan hadn't with his heart on training when Earth was at peace... He became a scholar. And Goten and Trunks just hadn't the same battle hunger as the Saiyans. He understands his sons have their...

Goku isn't confirmed to be the strongest at the EoZ. Firstly, they knew Gohan wasn't competing... And Goten and Trunks wouldn't fight as fusions. When they shockingly watched Goku vs Oob, they were just surprised the unknowm kid was keeping up with Goku, who was also fighting in base. As far as...

Likely because Goku had the strain of a Kaioken x3 I think, so he couldn't be as effective, like right on there, with the calm mind, of a 24k fighter. Vegeta is more durable tho, at least in the Saiyans saga, he had am insane plot shield durability there to make him impressive and unkillable. He...

How can you judge that as similar to Piccolo Vs Gero? What level of similarities does those fights have? If anythig, this thing like appearing from above like Freeza did and punching remembers me Zarbon Vs Vegeta round 1, with Vegeta being too much for Zarbon to keep up and appearing from behind...

If I were making my own, disregarding the 3M, it'd be as follows below (btw I disregard most Daiz numbers, I just see the 3M as being totally manageable...) Freeza (2nd form) 1,060,000 -- power up 1,200,000 Weighted Piccolo 1,250,000 Unweighted Piccolo 1,580,000 Freeza 2nd form (FP)...

Punching a basketball back when it's flying at you with high speed could potentially harm your arm way moreso than blocking it. You're punching something that's going your direction like a basketball and the force you put into your fist is going to add to the tension you feel in your arms due to...

I agree with that. I was just stating what I think GSM was getting at.

It stung and made it swell a little. It didn't damage pretty badly lol.

Yeah but those various levels are noted. The first one was noted with the speed increase... And the 2nd one I see him bringing that speed level to his strength as well. One just needed a more casual speed demonstration amd the other, all while bringing his hitting power to the speed level...