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  1. ahill1

    2 different topics that caught my attention

    Yeah everyone's got their way of dealing with that.
  2. ahill1

    Tao Pai Pai (1st appearence) vs Yamcha (22nd Budokai)

    Yesh but the dramatic reason also adds up to their unexpectedness in Goku having accomplished that. If I gave up the scouters, I'd like to up Goku's battle level more in comparison to match level. Tenshinhan wondered "so you have a whole new level reserved, is that what you're saying"... And...
  3. ahill1

    2 different topics that caught my attention

    Dodoria being 22k and Zarbon 23k is more doable given their treatment of Vegeta and Cui. It's kinda too much one sided, Vegeta vs Zarbon, to be treated as a 95% range. But the numbers don't seem devoid of logic, since to me it's a more proper spacing than leaving Dodoria 1.1x above Cui. Maybe...
  4. ahill1

    If Farmer is at 5, then what should BODB Goku be at?

    You can just go with 10. We don't know what specifica of strength a scouter reads someone at... It may not scale similarly to fiber strength or a punch measuring machine for all we know.
  5. ahill1

    Tao Pai Pai (1st appearence) vs Yamcha (22nd Budokai)

    Main problem with all that is that Goku's improvement looks punny looking at the numbers from post Karin to 22nd Budokai... Going from 55 to 66. Still tho, a considerable increase in which he could whoop his former self... But Roshi outlined other attributes from Goku growing, like his control...
  6. ahill1

    Tao Pai Pai (1st appearence) vs Yamcha (22nd Budokai)

    @GreatSaiyaman123 He doesn't flat out doubt Goku but acts in disbelief at first, which is why Goku says "even you, gramps?"... I'd say he fits in between Tsuru and Roshi Tsuru -- 45 Tao -- 50 Roshi -- 52 Pretty much all on the same ball park tho. I take Daizenshuu's gap for Roshi over Tsuru...
  7. ahill1

    Recent Chapter Discussion

    Ok then
  8. ahill1

    Recent Chapter Discussion

    It had. It made Big Mom scream in pain. Zoro left a scar... But leaving a scar doesn't necessarily mean it had the bigger impact, Zoro cuts ppl, so scars are left more easily. Law's and Kid's attacks together were threatening to take Big Mom out... Zoro never got close to that, it took all the...
  9. ahill1

    Freeza

    Nice list, I have close levels except for post freeza Zenkai Gohan (have him at around 600k) and I just roll with Goku being 3,000,000 nowadays as I see it as plenty. But I got nothing to question.
  10. ahill1

    Anime: Are Present Androids stronger than Future Androids?

    I think the anime may not be following the special they made, since the statement they used came directly from the manga. So as far as the anime goes, what's shown in the anime is what needs to be considered --- present androids were way steonger. As for TOEI... That may be different, but they...
  11. ahill1

    Completed Cell Games/Buu Saga Levels

    Pui Pui had a big head resembling 3rd form Freeza, so I'll put him around 3rd form Freeza's level. The closest we have to gauge him :troll
  12. ahill1

    Recent Chapter Discussion

    Law hadn't had his awakening yet.
  13. ahill1

    Tao Pai Pai (1st appearence) vs Yamcha (22nd Budokai)

    @SSJ2 When Goku defeated Panpoot, all Tsuru said was "maybe he really defeated Tao" Chapter: 122, P12.3-6 Context: after Goku defeats Panput Tenshinhan: “That wasn’t one blow. While brushing off his opponent’s fast punch with his right hand, with his left he showered him with…3 rapid-fire...
  14. ahill1

    Recent Chapter Discussion

    It wasn't, but him laying damage on her and taking her out alongside Kid is more impressive than Zoro taking out King imo. There's a big difference between the Yonko and its second commander, pretty big.
  15. ahill1

    Recent Chapter Discussion

    But I can put Zoro post Haoshoku one tier above King tho Tier 1 -- Doflamingo, G4 Luffy, Cracker Tier 2 -- Luffy snake man and Katakuri, Jack Tier 3 -- Luffy post training in prison for Kaido Tier 4 - Queen Tier 5 - Sanji, King Tier 6 - Zoro, Lucci Tier 7 - Law awakeneing Tier 8 - Luffy post...
  16. ahill1

    Recent Chapter Discussion

    Well, Law defeated Big Mom together with Kid. He was even more important in damaging her with his mortal awakened attacks. That's a feat beyond Zoro defeating Kaido's strongest underling imo. I don't believe Zoro and Sanji, or for better comparison, 2 Zoros defeating a Yonko. Plus, while the...
  17. ahill1

    Recent Chapter Discussion

    I'd make a Tier 1 -- Doflamingo, G4 Luffy, Cracker Tier 2 -- Luffy snake man and Katakuri, Jack Tier 3 -- Luffy post training in prison for Kaido Tier 4 - Sanji, Queen Tier 5 - Zoro, King, Lucci Tier 6 - Law awakeneing Tier 7 - Luffy post Haoshoku attacks in G4 Tier 8 - Kizaru Tier 9 -...
  18. ahill1

    Tao Pai Pai (1st appearence) vs Yamcha (22nd Budokai)

    The theory would be Goku not going all out vs Son Gohan and using a kind of match level... And only displaying his post Karin level when defeating Kuririn, which couples with Tsuru saying "now I see how Tao was defeated"... There all of the team never knew the true level of power Goku post Karin...
  19. ahill1

    Best battle powers ever

    That's true. I also think it's a concept that means taking many things for granted. But 924 was still considerably behind Raditz's full power, so maybe stopping the KMHMH, with their bare hands, for the nature of the attack being a blast, just requires more strength than stopping raw attacks?
  20. ahill1

    Best battle powers ever

    Ok, ended up making some edits on the list. Since it jas at least some backing, I've given SSJG3 a 10x (off SSJ) multiplier. I'd never come up to such multiplier on myself, but whatever, it's a state that focus only on power and is ultimately useless for battle. Trunks with it surpassed not just...
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