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@FeatsofPower Babidi doesn't even get the Saiyans power right. You'd need to prove he knows Shin's powers. Him knowing he defeated his father is different from knowing his abilities. Did he know how he defeated his father? Did Shin need FP to defeat his father? Likely not, he would have done...

Most people here are crazy, you crazy, crazy people. Piccolo stomps Vegeta's ass into smithereens. He outperformed even MSSJ Goku, while he was tired. Goku didn't fall below base Vegeta as he could even keep an aura up The idea that the Cell Juniors went easier on Piccolo is also kinda...

The theory? Or the scaling in general?

Look at this theory, ppl!!! Let's comment on it. We need more part 1

I fail to see how this is the more correct one. You'd need to assume Shin thought Pui Pui was a threat to SSJ2 Gohan. We don't know if Babidi knows Shin's strength, Shin can't even be sensed. He only knew, as far as we know, Shin killed his father. Pui Pui didn't meet anyone's expectations...

Nah, just decided to add one more list since I have the week off and tried to make the introduction a little bit cool

Perhaps. I'm preparing some gift so you guys remember me if I pass

@FeatsofPower The story is inconsistent either way, bro. There're holes every way you choose. Shin didn't know Pui Pui. He only knew Babidi's rep of gathering strong warriors. He shat at base Vegeta yet was calm when sensing SSJ2 Gohan. You can assume Kaioshin drastically changed from the >>>...

Piccolo was weakened

Well, in advance, I say, be prepared for this is the best list you will ever find. Like, almost flawless... close to perfection... crafted after years and years fighting in the trenches, debating all kind of crazy power levelers, figuring the level of effort put into each fight analysing the...

Super Saiyan Goku 100 Android 17 150 Grade 2 Goku 140 Piccolo 150 ~ Light Grenade 200 (Piccolo was already exhausted) Android 16 250 Imperfect Cell 250 Super Saiyan Trunks 462 Semi Cell 500 (initially : 420) Super Saiyan Vegeta 485 Grade 3 Goku 300 Super Vegeta 680 Perfect Cell 1,200...

So if I want to cover for that, for Pui Pui to expect someone >>> him to struggle under 10x the same way Trunks struggled 150x, I can divide my former Pui Pui's placement by 10 or so, assuming there's some level of linearity to gravity levels. That'd place Pui Pui at 30,000,000 or so lmao. Sorry.

But there's a problem either way. Base Trunks may be androids level, but he struggled with 150G based on his lack of experience. Would he struggle in 10x tho? Doubtful. I don't think so. And Pui Pui, whom I scaled at androids SSJ level, expected someone who was beating his ass, so someone...

I agree with the part on the gravity tho. It can also be said Pui Pui never thought Vegeta had experience with 10G, and it seems the experience someone has is worth a lot in how they will handle the gravity increase. Kid Trunks who blows Goku's namek landing out of the water couldn't deal with...

I disagree with this. I've Piccolo fairly close to Vegeta and Trunks in the CGs so Pui Pui ain't nearing that. Pui Pui 330,000,000 Base Goku (boo saga) 750,000,000 Piccolo (boo saga) 3,000,000,000 Shin 4,500,000,000 Sorry feats, but I'm not with you in your scaling interpretations.

How do you measure his improvement? It was a massive one if we follow all the suppressed and layers of powers implied. Goku surprised everyone defeating Chappa and Kuririn thought he would gass out going all out, so: Goku (vs Chappa) >> Goku (post Karin) Then in the midst of the fight vs...

I think he couldn't use it at that moment to stop Ace's execution because he seemed exhausted at the time, maybe because of the tension of the situation too, I think. But as for using it in the attacks, I bet he used it. Ofc, Oda likely hadn't planned that kind of Haki by then and Haki wasn't...

Because the entire thing is about preferences, and I've made them understood and had to make them more and more understood, it seems. I was also saying DB isn't the type of manga to get serious about those things, I was agreeing with it. I specified it just doesn't change how I feel with gag...

If I were to estimate a bare minimum, ofc using some headcanon speculations of how I like spacings to be, a bare minimum would be 1.8x between Pui Pui and base Vegeta. Like said, Babidi needed to have some expectations of the Saiyans based on how badly and easy dealt with Pui Pui was. We don't...

@OP How can we know? All we know is Vegeta whooped Pui Pui's ass, how much stronger he was is anyone's guess. Could go from 2x to 1000x I guess.