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Nappa Saga Saibamen 1,200 Chaozu 1,250 Yamcha 1,350 Krillen 1,500 Tien 1,600 Piccolo 2,000 Tien’s Kikoho 2,400 Enraged Gohan 2,520 Masenko 2,800 Nappa...

Nuance is key.

We see that limit in the Buu Saga. Where Goku and Vegeta agree they can't bounce back a second blast from Kid Buu. I think you can be like 50% or so to deflect it though, it's probably not that big of a deal.

Freeza sends a generic blast at Goku that is mostly likely unamped and it sends Goku flying. Why did Freeza's blast during their warm up, send Goku flying, force him to be pushed back to the rocks and Goku had to redirect it's path because he was being overwhelmed? There is no way Freeza can...

How is Freeza able to stop the KHH if he’s weaker?

Zarbon and Freeza disagree. They think Cui would win or at least wear Vegeta out enough to where he would be a non-threat.

We should do a Z anime one too.

Vegeta's durability is still through the roof. He took a beating from Kkx3 Goku, got KKx4 Kamehameha'd, got freaking Spirit Bomb'd, Oozaru Gohan landed on him. No one has ever took as savage a beating as Vegeta has, and he kept on coming. The dude was straight Terminator, Michael Myers...

I think deflecting a blast is much easier than taking it head on.

It's definitely doable. But it's a little weird to think about Gohan and Krillen beating up Piccolo. It's a bit more than that, it's narrative driven. It's why Base Vegeta > Piccolo makes so much sense in the Androids Saga. The author has a picture of how the characters match up against each...

Do you think Buutenks blast is really weaker than Semi Cell here?

Yeah, you got some leeway. But I don't know man. Piccolo is Piccolo. Imagine Freeza fighting vs them and Piccolo not being the captain of the ship. Narrative and status quo mean more than logical progression of power levels. The only reason Piccolo is even this strong is because he literally...

Vegeta gets a 10x boost to durability when fighting low class Saiyans. Dude can’t stand to lose to someone he deems beneath himself.

Was Gohan around to deflect it?

We dont really have a choice. Unless you want to make Gohan 200k and Krillen 150k. That’s doable but I don’t know, I like making Gohan as strong as possible. Hmmm, you got me thinking though for sure. What do you think? Piccolo 275 Gohan 200 Krillen 150 Or Piccolo 275 Gohan 250 Krillen 200...

Androids Saga Weighted Piccolo > Gohan even when suppressed. Piccolo is always stronger except when Gohan learns Super Saiyan or when he’s mad.

Just using it for reference. Kami is probably closer to 20-50 range I’d say.

Do you think Tien’s blast is equal to Buutenks blast?

Enraged Gohan > Piccolo > Gohan Is the status quo is it not?

Freeza 530,000 Weighted Kamiccolo 480,000 Weighted Kamiccolo is 90% of Freeza. Nail says Kamiccolo might be able to defeat Freeza. I think Weighted Kamiccolo should be higher, don’t you? Freeza was completely overwhelmed by Gohan’s blast, it took everything in his being to be able to get...