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It’s nowhere close to being consistent with the rest of your views. You gave Initial Form Freeza like a 1.1x boost over 3rd Form Freeza. Why not keep that same energy for then remainder of the series? Goku 9 Cell 10 Gohan 11 Buu 12 Vegetto 13 You might as well do that. If you are going to...

This makes things very rough. Put your numbers for… Grade 2 Trunks Cell Grade 3 Trunks Buff Cell And I’ll show you some of the issues I ran into. I agree and you can get away with a little but I’ll show you where it’s problematic. Show me… Cell Buff Cell Ssj2 Kid Gohan

I’m talking about the portion where Goku is colored in red. I get the feeling even that is inaccurate. Goku has such control over the Kaioken x10 I don’t think the aura exudes from him. Now Kkx20 is beyond his ability to control it in that way, so we see it. We need to compare KKx20 to KKx10...

Exactly and then there doesn’t seem to be a combat point where there is an aura it’s only flight aura. Freeza has flight aura too. Goku doesn’t display a KK author the colored manga messed up here imo.

@GreatSaiyaman123 I think I got it now. There’s an issue with making Grade 2 a 3x multiplier. It forces Semi Cell’s power up to be larger than we’d like. Semi Cell doubling his power is bad if we have Perfect Cell doubling his power. This chain is actually far more finicky than I thought...

I’m making the argument that the Kaioken aura is actually never present and AT is utilizing only flight auras. I think that may be the best approach here. Look into it.

He doesn’t know how strong Super Saiyan 2 Gohan actually is. He’s constantly shocked by the Saiyans assertions that Dabura is light work despite Dabura being a Super Saiyan level opponent. I’m not fighting with you, I’m engaging in a friendly debate, battle testing my interpretation of my the...

I’m not too familiar with the Slug movie.

2nd Form 1,060,00 -Powered Up 1,350,000 ~ Full Power 1,600,000 Piccolo 1,375,000 ~ Full Power 1,750,000 3rd Form Freeza 2,250,000 Vegeta 4,500,000 ~Final Burst Cannon 6,000,0000 Goku 5,750,000 Full Power 7,500,000 Freeza 5,000,000 Powered Up 6,000,000 Full Power 8,750,000 Something like that.

Which one is specific?

Would you agree that more consistent is better than less consistent? Majority of the inter subjective, reasonable opinion would 100% disagree. We have to remain in reality regardless of what side of the argument we are on. You would never argue for such spacing for any other saga and you’ve...

The official numbers lack consistency. Subjective is not good but inter subjective is what we generally discuss. Our inter subjective numbers are consistent the numbers the author gives us are not subjective. Wouldn’t you agree that consistency and logic supersede inconsistency and irrationality?

Fair enough, but I’d say the colored manga is incorrect, just the same as your stance since the initial assault is not colored red. Goku doesn’t show Kaioken anymore now that he’s at his level, these are all just flight auras.

Tien can't see that Goku is using Kkx10 because Goku doesn't have an aura. Or else Tien would know.

Those are just flight auras. Goku never has a Kaioken aura against Freeza, look, Freeza has an aura there too. It's just two flight auras crashing against each other.

I don't think he ever has a Kaioken aura against Freeza, he's just using a flight aura.

He never shows a Kaioken aura against Freeza.

Yeah, white eyes are used to express emotion. You already disproved yourself. KKx10 Goku had black eyes, so is he not using Kaioken then?

Haha indeed. Well, it's not a Kaioken only trait, it's a secondary trait from using intense effort and seriousness.

Everyone shows it. It's literally the flight aura arc. There's more flight auras during the Freeza battles then any other time in the series. Any time anyone is showing any sort of concentration or intense effort, their eyes are blank. It's an indication of effort, Kaioken just happens to...