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We know Base Goku does not surpass Freeza

How can only Super Saiyan make Cooler say, "Now I see why my brother was no match for you!" if Base Goku > Freeza. This statement would be redundant. Also, Goku doesn't acknowledge Cooler's superiority until he transforms. Which is another sign pointing towards Base Goku > Freeza being...

Its weird for Raditz not to acknowledge being surpassed

You think non enraged Gohan can one shot Goku and Piccolo?

When he said to Hercule that it might not be them or Majin Buu who would win today but maybe someone else.

Piccolo Weighted is 90% of Freeza. So do you view this gap the same as Cell vs Goku? We've always likened this gap to Gero vs Piccolo. What do you have that gap as?

Goku was able to contend with Good Buu in his Base Form. No it's more like if Goku is the strongest in the world and his Base is only Kid Buu level, then Base Gotenks Post is factually overrated.

For Goku to be proclaimed as the strongest at the EoZ, the following logic would ensue. 1. Base Goku being around Good Buu/Kid Buu level makes him the strongest fighter in the world. That would mean... Base Goku > Base Gotenks It seems likely that Gohan has weakened as well, but it would be...

It just takes too long. Don't have time to charge up all day. Piccolo and Krillen are only providing Gohan with a small window of opportunity, perhaps 5-10 seconds at most, that's all is realistically available. One of the issues I really don't like now is that Raditz seems to imply he's...

Definitely. Enraged Gohan 2,250 Fully Enraged Gohan 2,500 Masenko 2,800 Evidence that this is possible is there in Raditz Saga Enraged Gohan 710 Max Enraged Gohan 1,307 Cell feels Gohan's power go up with his rage a little, and then he unleashes all of his power later.

Exactly. It's nothing other than author error. When given a chance to quantify these gaps, he proved he epically went against his own agenda. The blasts have never been all that strong. Yeah, it never carried on. All of the evidence proves this. It's just his first time putting numbers he...

It might be the best bet honestly. Gohan can't be more than 2,500 or so and he sends Nappa absolutely flying, right? Even if it's a surprise, he's gotta be closing in on Nappa a bit don't you think? I think I might keep the same numbers, but just change the interpretation. So we have to work...

Still worth exploring imo

Sure, the goal is for them to surprise Nappa and take him off guard. Exactly. Piccolo seems to abandon his SBC gameplan he used against Raditz near instantly once he met Gohan. Gohan has always been the plan. So Gohan needs to be significantly above Piccolo.

Piccolo W/Weights >= Freeza Powered Up You can make Piccolo 1,250,000 here And yeah, from what you were trying to do before, you did the 2nd Form and 3rd Form powers pretty legit and skimped hard on the Final Form, you are better off skimping a little bit everywhere. So this is a good start...

Wasn't the original plan for Gohan to kill Nappa? It feels like post Kikoho, he no longer thinks Gohan can do it. Also, with Gohan finally tapping into his rage, shouldn't Piccolo tell him "Now is the time Gohan, release your energy!" But Piccolo has no confidence in Gohan at all here. I think...

Do we have two enraged Gohans? One pre Piccolo's death, one post?

Lol. Hey, you can still stick with them, but it's our jobs to poke holes in them. No set of numbers is without issue, we are trying to make our numbers be logically consistent with how we view the narrative. It's difficult. This whole Vegeta Saga thing has thrown me for a loop as well...

I know, I was just thinking this. Also, it seems there might be two levels of rage for Gohan. His initial one, and then he seems fully enraged right before the blast. It seems like his amp is probably minimal after looking at this. Probably on par with maybe Nappa's blast or something? You are...

I don't know if this can work. If Nappa is hurt by a 2,800 blast and he's 4,000, Cell needs to be bigger than Nappa was versus the Masenko. Also, Raditz reacted far different to the Kamehameha than Cell did. Cell needs to be a bigger difference then that. Everything else looks good. Well...