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Piccolo tells Gohan to run, despite showcasing an enraged power that surpasses himself.

How strong is Enraged Gohan?

That’s huge

I’m highlighting the parallels of having a main villain still keep so much power despite severe battle damage.

Yeah the detonation force should be in consideration. Blocking it like 50% Freeza did is more harmful because of exposure time.

That’s probably a great place to start. So if he’s 1,800 what is Gohan and Krillen at this point?

It should be the same amp in both arcs.

So FE is 6 and Goku is a 5? Vegeta was willing to try either way, it was his only option.

Never thought of it, but we have a good parallel here. Vegeta is stupidly damaged, but is still able to fight off Yajirobe, Krillen, and Gohan. We can do some calculations to see just what percentage he is to be able to pull that off and apply it to Piccolo. Where is Kami in this analogy...

Lol, are you talking about Elder Kaioshin's strength? There's some characters we have zero evidence on, my goodness.

These kinds of threads always turn into some sort of circle jerk. Debating is a team effort, just like the idea that there are no good heroes without good villains to battle, it's the same here. It's a team effort, one debater pushes the conversation to the next level, and the next one matches...

Nah, Gohan can deliver the Masenko just fine and Gohan has no limits. His Masenko is just as powerful as Piccolo's. Nothing implies anything otherwise. I think I'm finally on board with this, but how strong do you have Kikoho and Nappa then? For Nappa to take such little damage, he needs to be...

They contradict the narrative though. You have to choose one, either the numbers or the narrative. Either option is wrong because it contradicts it. The humans are either all above Kami numerically or below him narratively. There is no right option here. Kamehameha can’t be a 2.22x boost when...

Meh that’s a quitters mentality. Every level is important to me. I’m trying to get them all as right as possible. I don’t need anyone coming behind me pointing out a ton of things I didn’t address you know?

Yep this is what I’m going with. It seems perfect imo. 50/4/5 seems great. This is tougher. Realistically Gohan should be like a 15 or so. Hmm that might work. Gohan 4.5 Ssj 225 Ssj2 9 Rage 15-20? That might be perfect and we don’t have to make Gohan too strong. I think I have Ssj...

BoZ is an inconsistent mess. We have to throw away all levels. Or you can’t have consistency. Galick Gun being 1.33x seems to be the best bit of logic to me so far. We have to try it out and see if it can work. It’s possible Final Crash isn’t the maximum amp Vegeta is capable of, but I think...

Sure. How about Vegeta's Final Explosion? What do you think that should be, it should definitely surpass Majin Buu for sure.

Yeah, I have to have the experience I think. It sounds like it'll be rough though. I don't even know what that's all about, the legendary Fake Namek episodes give me the chills though already haha.

Nonetheless, when he fires the attack, he gives it it's full name, Masenko. The reader should assume this is a full-powered Masenko. Which we have ample evidence for knowing that. Where is the evidence that Masenko is not a full powered one? It's like you are arguing for Yamcha's Kamehameha not...

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