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I think I’m on board with BoG happening 4 years after the Buu Saga at this point. Are you making Ssj Goku ~ Kid Buu?

Well that’s why we are having the discussion. We have the Post Zeta Gohan issue and the FE issue. Both seem to point towards a smaller boost than Super seems to suggest. Do we have anymore evidence in Super about the gap?

Inaccurate interpretation. Kaioshin thinks Majin Vegeta has no chance and that Gohan has a chance. Goku doesn’t completely shut him down. I think the I don’t know is him factoring in Ssj2 and rage Same training same power same feat.

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Of course not. But I’m telling you, it being so large is jarring. I don’t think it’s gunna be 10x.

Yeah I’d say FE being 5x sounds about right man. 3x for FD and 5x for FE is good. Even if you went 6x maybe that’s good but more than that? Meh… Kaioshin seems to think so.

The FE is a far better attack than the Kamehameha due to its all encompassing nature.

Yep plus Super is just not really worth it. The level of attention to detail just isn’t there for power levels like the other part of the series. Some things are worth power scaling and some are not.

Well that’s my argument. It doesn’t seem to be implied. Show me Vegeta’s Final Flash amp and the Final Explosion amp. And let’s see what we got. Zeta Gohan should be somewhat relevant id think. 66% or so of Majin Buu.

I don’t think he’d laugh it off. Reecome is a sicko, but it shouldn’t hurt him that much. If Final Explosion is that much above Majin Buu, it would have killed him don’t you think?

I think there's going to have to be a cap on how strong this attack can be. 5x seems to be a good place. Goku walks away from the Final Explosion the same way Reecome did from Final Crash. Singed, a bit of cosmetic damage, but largely unharmed. Final Explosion 500 Super Saiyan 3...

Honestly, it's quite difficult to make a bigger multiplier work. Super Saiyan 2 Gohan should be somewhat close to Majin Buu, but it starts to become really hard to make it close unless Gohan is like 5x stronger than Goku. Numbers wise, 5x works perfectly imo. But, I'd like to have something a...

Gohan 900 Buff Cell 750 PC 450 Weakened PC 375 So a hypothetical full power Buff Cell matches Gohan but does not exceed him. I think that works out pretty good. Oh my, Super seems scary. But honestly, Super manga is probably not all that hard right? The anime forget about it though...

Could Cell beat Goku without his hands?

So Vegeta loses without his hands?

Cell did appear to have a larger speed difference, but how effective would Cell have been without his hands? He could have beat Goku without his hands?

The instant Freeza started using his hands Goku was put down. If that fight continues, it's a brutal beat down. It looks like equal speed while one person has cut their offensive weapons in half. That means there needs to be quite a sizeable advantage. You have to imagine what the fight looks...

You need more spacing here. Despite Goku forcing Freeza to use his hands, the disparity in power was present. You'd never expect a rivaling power to attempt such a feat.

Thank you good catch. I have a few more things to work on. I want to try having a 10x boost for Super Saiyan 3 I think that would be great and that will conclude Ssj Goku Namek until the end. Then a little work in the Freeza Saga and that should be it for Z at least.

I am at the part where Piccolo is undercover I gotta catch up