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Agreed with all points and this is a great summary.

Ok I’ve come to a resolution, I think I got it figured out. I got everything I wanted, the buff amp is bigger than I’d like but it was unavoidable. SSJ Goku Androids 150 Ssj Goku Rosat 200 Piccolo 250 Light Grenade 375 Grade 2 Goku 500 Imperfect Cell 750 Android 16 750 Ssj Trunks 1,900 Ssj...

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According to my numbers he has an elite amp. If 1.33x is the standard previously.

Piccolo being 82% of 3rd Form Freeza doesn’t make sense. At bare minimum it’s 75% if not 66%. Agreed. 3rd Form Freeza being 88% of Final Form Freeza is an absurdity.

So why would Piccolo's Light Grenade be so much more advanced than Vegeta's Galick Gun?

That's not true, I haven't changed my opinion since the last time I was here when I did a full watch through of the Buu Saga for exactly these reasons. I doubt I'll ever change again, the narrative is clunky, but clear. Did you read the argument I just made? It pretty much solidifies everything...

Which is why we always assume balance unless otherwise stated. Tien is like the one time this happens other than the Buffed states. Well we know for sure he reduced his level from his full effort. Why wouldn't he go back down all the way instead of just halfway? He doesn't expect Goku to be any...

You make some great points but there is more evidence than just reaction and reaction would be a good gauge to go by but not the ultimate piece of evidence. So there’s a variety of factors here in how people are emoting off of a power up.

Context brother. 1. “He would have been a real threat 7 years ago. At least at the level we are now. There was this guy named Cell, he was about as strong as him.” Later 2. “Vegeta, I had no idea you had Super Saiyan 2!” Process of elimination brother. Of course not, Super Saiyan Majin...

Why are the Freeza Saga gaps different than other sagas? Freeza did the largest power up by far compared to all of his other power ups at this point. For it to be the smallest power up is illogical. Your argument is like Cell going full power is a 1.1x boost. It’s ridiculous. Because it’s...

Ok so he got a 2.5x boost before with Trunks and now he’s getting at least that against Gohan he’s just weakened though, right? SPC’s aura is not emulating Super Saiyan 2?

In this series? A ton of people. When people feel completely outmatched, they won’t even bother trying knowing it’s a waste of time.

How weakened? Did Cell get the same Super Saiyan 2 boost as Gohan?

When someone increases their power, do you assume their speed increases as well? Or do you need a specific statement to address the speed increase as well?

Vegeta assumes the attack will have an effect on Freeza, otherwise he wouldn’t even attempt it. Piccolo assumes Vegeta’s attack will not only wipe out Freeza, but the planet alongside with him. Both characters expect Freeza to be destroyed. That is the narrative. Which is why when Freeza can...

Why does he only have a 1.36x boost against Gohan when he had a 2.5x boost against Trunks? Cell is even larger against Gohan than he is against Trunks.

So Buff Cell at FP is 137.5 An almost 1.4x advantage over Kid Gohan’s Super Saiyan 2 power?

This is an error. Freeza barely increases his speed to clown Vegeta and then appears to use all of his effort and his might to knock back the blast. Freeza hitting Blast >> Freeza Power Up > Freeza Remember, Piccolo and Vegeta assumed Freeza would die versus that blast. Him kicking it back...

I’m not sure exactly that was more of a rough draft. If we are going to be using the 1.33x amp it changes some of my numbers so I need to play with them a little bit more. Final Burst Cannon is ideally above Freeza’s power up, so I gotta see how to make that possible.