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You could cut out 75% of it and get the gist of things so no big deal

Occam's razor tells me that if Gotenks fell tremendously short of Fat Boo's power -- which he would, if SSJ3 Gotenks post-RoSaT has only a small edge over Goku -- then a demonstration would be pointless. You've argued that Piccolo asked for one anyway to see if Gotenks's confidence held any...

Yes.

It was an earlier episode than that. The one with the school with the snobby kids or something.

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same tbh

I don't really have anything to add to this that I haven't already said. "relatively speaking" being the operative phrase there Fusion is insane (in both forms that are presented to us in this arc) but a consistent theme is that the strength of the fusees still matters (this is reiterated...

I agree 100%, but I would argue that those were the main ones. They were the ones made explicit. I agree that Goku is putting a lot of (relatively blind) faith in the kids, but a couple of things that are important to note are that Goku is familar with the kind of boost that fusion provides...

There are a number of reasons that the plan was considered a gamble, chiefly the following: They're on a timer and Boo is destroying the planet while they wait. Well, this goes past the early stage now. This is after Super Boo, the Boo who is greater than the previous incarnation in every...

I've had that gestating in my reply box for a bit. I was a tad unwell for a few days and stubbornly dragged myself to the gym in that state, and the last week of this sprint at work has been a motherfucker on top of that. I'll have some breathing room starting next week once I get all this shit...

I have no disagreement w.r.t what the narrative is saying about fusion here. I'll talk about the gamble at some point, but I'll let you expand on it further from here, as it seems that you've got some points you want to make. I don't really see how you can say that it does or doesn't...

Give me until tomorrow. I didn't mean to take this long but the past week's just been bad.

Its impact wouldn't be all that different. Toriyama's comedic timing and eye for fantastic choreography, among other non-plot-related things, made Dragon Ball what it is today.

I'll argue that SSJ3 Gotenks is significantly stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Specifically, I'd argue that the form of Gotenks most likely to be in the same tier of power as SSJ3 Goku would be SSJ Gotenks prior to his RoSaT training, with SSJ Gotenks potentially having a small edge. I don't mind the...

Ok. Just a note, but bear with me if I’m slow to respond sometimes.

Same

Cool. I think SSJ Gotenks is at least in SSJ3 Goku’s vicinity

I generally used to argue for the super bloated Base Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku route but I'm cool with the opposite view too

Probably this yeah. I don’t want to end up forgetting about it completely either, but formally setting something up would be hard. I’m not even sure what viewpoints are controversial or not anymore. Maybe. That debate would probably just boil down to how much stock you put into like, taking...