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Still not true because GT Goku/GT Vegeta are the strongest :Dolltaki

SSJ4 Gogeta is the strongest fusion though :panties

This is awful lol

Xenoverse 2 is way better than Kakarot

It's good, but for long term fans seeing XV2 is like cock and ball torture. Because the game constantly receives support when they should just roll out XV3.

DBS anime ain't canon

Neither is DBS anime :ahshit2

Where GT at?

Wheres GT

Very true, I think I the 50x, 2x and 4x all don't have any real basis in the same story and are just accepted out of convenience

Toriyama did think SSJ was a 10x increase when he drew it

I don't know wasn't there a moment with Dr. Gero in the android arc where he calculated that the power of the humans + Piccolo would be stronger than Vegeta? As well as Future Gohan going toe to toe with SSJ Trunks? If we include Toei then SSJ is unquestionably not a 50x increase too. He was...

Post Freeza arc the series doesn't treat SSJ as that strong.

No need to follow the 50x multiplier for normal fighters too

South Kaioshin had gastral problems that day which made him one million times weaker. :ahshit2

ugly

How bad was it? SIAD when Goku transforms into SSJG in ToP:

Can't wait for RoC where Cold reveals he didn't transform because of reasons :ahshit2

Interesting how this books stance is that cold is capable of transformation

Why is Vegetto stronger than Goku?