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But doesn't he tell Piccolo the boys won't need Rosat when learning fusion? I think the gamble is about whether the boys would take it seriously. Gotenks had everything going for him and still fumbled the bag.

Right. I also remember a volume synopsis saying Goten and Trunks perfected fusion right before Super Boo showed up. The confirmations are just too subtle and easy to miss.

Freeza’s power is also draining and he could suppress it. SSJ Gotenks is a weird case because just Goku predicting isn't enough, but it's quite literally all we got.

That’s a headcanon that originated around here and I’ve never seen it anywhere else.

Base Kibito fought evenly with Zamasu while Goku had to call Zeno. SSjin 3 Kibito stomps.

@Animelover5487 but those weren’t random Saiyans. They were part of the royal guard and Freeza was impressed by their power. They might be middle class.

Toriyama once said that his Bardock is amongst the peak low class soldiers, and in another interview he said Raditz is high class. So who takes it? R1: Bardock pre Cereal R2: Bardock post Cereal

I don’t think Vegeta expected Goku to reach anywhere close to him at all. It’s definitely weird.

I don't think Ultimate = 400x works. Z Sword Gohan was stated to be weaker than Fat Boo, he's probably as strong as Future Trunks was vs Dabra. And Base Gohan being over 100x stronger than Base Goku? Come on.

Did you watch the show?

There's no such timeline.

I was actually talking about how Tsuru used Chaozu to freeze Goku. If not for that Tenshinhan wouldn't have known Tsuru is evil. Oob appears twice in Super and helps Goku beat Moro.

At least Chaozu was relevant in the 22nd Budokai, Oob is as useless as Jobhan. His one moment in the limelight was getting stomped by SBV2, and there isn't even a emotional sacrifice or anything! There's people out there who think he's weaker than Pan, and I don't blame them. Also, DBO Toriyama...

Pretty sure the implication was that Piccolo mellowed out since the last Budokai. He was as evil as always before that.

Here in Brazil it’s Turles but pronounced Tarles.

Porunga reviving Vegeta when asked to revive the good guys never made any sense, unless the Namekian definition of “good guy” is very broad.

He’s a antagonist.

Sadly, people want the version they like to be better and won't stop debating about this.

Post Namek. Before Vegeta was more worried about Freeza and immortality, but then Goku took out Freeza and became the new tenant in Vegeta’s mind.

So no Nailccolo? Eh, I think I could live with that.