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About the thread: Goku definitely loses to FP Bojack, but he only might beat Base Bojack. There’s a chance Bojack isn’t far above SSJ Vegeta, but even if he is Goku could win via Kamehameha.

I think he could do better, but not a lot. He’s as strong as Vegeta, and Bojack transformed while beating him. I wonder if Vegeta and Trunks could be stronger than in the Cell Games? Probably not because Vegeta is very depressed, but it would make the gaps in this movie better, though.

He was a friend. Great taste in manga and movies outside of DBZ.

Base Bojack one shot Trunks and Gohan could fight Super Bojack. Gohan vs Trunks was only hyped because they were the two strongest and it would be a SSJ fight.

I don’t know.

I don't think it's necessary for Future Vegeta to have SSJ or for Future Gohan (Two arms) to be stronger than him, but my numbers have enough space for that.

Merus can be stronger than UI Goku. It was said that Moro's body could not handle Merus' power.

I think Movie 5 wins since it happens later in the timeline. I have M5 Goku = Sick Goku.

If Light Grenade > 3x amp then I can see them surpassing Freeza. Otherwise they're in the 50% ~ 70% range.

I think Trunks can win, but he's starting to have trouble. If you make it 5, he might lose.

I imagine he trained, but not in Ultimate and ended up losing that form. Still, his Base/SSJ power is greatly above what it was in the Boo Saga since he can handle SSJ Baby Goten without transforming.

Base Post > SSJ Pre. The joke just flies over people’s heads.

Just rewatched the fight and he’s not as impressive as you make him to be. Hit was getting his butt kicked and wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near him without Timeskip. Hell he couldn’t even touch Jiren until the end. @SIAD Vegeta used Ultra Instinct principles to see Jiren’s movements in...

I need this so badly now. Oh and they forgot Oolong in the art

And then SPC would be 14. Cell vs Goku and Gohan = MSSJ FP Cell = Grade 2 Buff Cell = Grade 3?* SPC = SSJ2 *FP Cell was weakened so his Grade 3 boost wasn’t very big. 12 at best for Buff.

Clears. SSJ2 Gohan is just somewhat above Vegeta. So his stamina lets him one shot them?

I think the Goku/Beerus gap fits perfectly here if SSJ2 = 2x. Could even have Cell at 70% just like Beerus. SSJ Goku: 6 Cell: 7 ~ FP: 10 (Grade 2-esque just like 100% Freeza) SSJ Gohan: 7.5 ~ SSJ2: 15

Probably. Zombie Gas is very fragile and was breaking his arms just by punching.

This is possible, but I think Zamasu may have regenerated from the Final Kamehameha off screen.

“Nowhere near” is definitely a stretch. Gohan is definitely closer to SSJB level than he is to SSJG. If Freeza himself couldn’t even see or react to Dyspo, I don’t think Goku and Vegeta can do anything here. Their lack of coordination helped vs Jiren, but here it would make them easy targets...