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I think DBS Goku would’ve tried that if it was possible.

@Hector but Kaioshin said Gohan vs Dabra > Gohan @ Budokai?

Maybe 1.5x tops

Even if Gohan turns SSJ somehow, he can’t beat Freeza. Gohan: 1,000,000 max ~ SSJ: 50,000,000 max 50% Freeza: 60,000,000 minimum Everybody dies. Not enough hair for that.

Jiren was excusable because that was meant to be his gimmick but everyone else, including Freeza, was lame. Was it you or CC who suggested Golden Freeza should have God Ki somehow? Something to do with the Demon Realm I think. Not that it matters. Who cares if someone can’t be sensed, only...

1.2x too, I like having having Goku, Vegeta and Gohan be 15/12/10. I think people really overthink the gaps when they go “Oh Vegeta expected to beat a trained Goku who’s at least 1.5x CG Goku and Gohan is only 1.1x CG Goku because” like, stop complicating it, man.

He only needs 1 week to surpass Goku. Maybe even 1 day.

But neither did the Light Grenade. I guess it’s a competition for whoever got the closest to damaging Cell :idk

Vegeta gets wrecked as usual

I have Final Flash stronger, Cell would still die without regen but I guess he wouldn’t lose half his body.

That’s a good point. I mentioned dodging because I thought he could get away while Roshi charges it, but seeing Goku vs Tao he’d probably stay there and get vaporized.

What Roshi doing if Tao dodges?

Piccolo never trains with Goku, so even if he fuses with Kami he remains weak. Vegeta may never unlock SSJ. Since he doesn’t have to give Goku the medicine I don’t know when exactly Trunks arrives, but if he doesn’t kill 19 and 20 he still finds the remote control to destroy 17 and 18...

Never noticed the anime changed it. In that case yeah, he's dead.

He didn’t die.

Tell me something new about SH Piccolo besides getting a power up.

Chasing skirts > training

He’s just… there. Nothing to write home about besides the weird monologue vs Frost.

But only the 1984 manga. Anything past the first chapter is non canon and not part of the author’s original intent.

Cell’s glare alone would pulverize the blast.