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2nd stage cell

u mean semi-perfect cell

Gone

well how strong do you think SSB was

all this proves is that vegeta was caught off guard by hit time skip if he figured it out like goku then he could won and why did goku need to go SSB after figuring out hit time skip conclusion he couldn't win without it and thus he knew he couldn't beat hit despite being in his base form

do you have prove of this

I mean considering the fact that hit can fight on par with SSB I wouldn't be so sure

yeah your point

against hit

after resurrection of f yeah plus training with whis and those three years of training in the hyperbolic time chamber before the tournament what did you expect

Empty

Gone

to train

hmmmm

frieza

oh well okay thnx

how weaker though

Gone

then why did goku need to go ssj if they were on par with one another

king cold is past his prime he's stronger than 100% frieza but not mecha frieza