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Belmod states that Vegeta was stronger than he was when he was pushing back Jiren. That was when Vegeta was using the Final Flash.

We literally see the Genkidama swelling up and expanding much greater beyond its limits from two opposing forces and yet you still deny it. Vados makes it clear what had happened. She blatantly states that the energy expanded which means that the energy had grown stronger. Energy expanding =...

It's pretty clear what happened. The energy of the Genkidama intensified hence Champa's concern. Bigger explosions mean more power.

Belmod explicitly states that Vegeta was pushing him back. He was overpowering him.

What're you talking about? Belmod is shocked by the potential of Saiyans when Vegeta begins to overpower Jiren. We are blatantly told that Vegeta is trying to shatter his limits as Goku did to obtain Ultra Instinct. Look at the context and it's very clear why Vegeta makes that statement. No one...

I'd be down to watch KKx20 Blue Goku and Blue Evolved Vegeta going up against SSJ Broly. I'm actually curious to see how Base Gogeta and Golden Frieza compare to those two.

He's taunting Jiren, it doesn't really mean anything.

Yes and in those examples, we clearly don't see the Genkidama's energy intensifying so it's a false equivalence you guys are making here.

They never triggered a chain reaction. The reason why the Genkidama exploded onto them is because they couldn't exert enough of a force to push it back, so it eventually overwhelmed them and detonated as it engulfed its target. This is patently wrong. Even when the Genkidama is being...

It's pretty ridiculous. I think the implication given was that Vegeta was pushing Jiren to use more power so he could awaken his own limit-breaking power which eventually culminated into Blue Evolved. I think the logic is that Vegeta was rapidly growing like the Saiyans did back on Namek since...

No. Jiren is in shock when Vegeta managed to breach his defenses. Goku is in shock at Vegeta dodging Jiren's bullet hell punches, Tenshinhan and Kuririn both claim that Vegeta breached Jiren's energy. Belmod even shows concern at what is happening which would be odd if Jiren suddenly lowered his...

Likely Vegeta's Final Flash since he was outperforming Jiren (122) who was the strongest power ever experienced at the time.

Horrible example. The Genkidama exploded because it made contact with Kid Buu and completely overwhelmed him. The Genkidama exploded on Goku because it was explicitly expanding as a result of both of their powers.

Yet he is still apart of the equation. He clearly didn't use anywhere near his "full power" to push back the Genkidama. He merely kept it in place in response to the force Goku was using. The scan you presented only serves to prove it since the Genkidama Goku bathed in i.e the explosion was a...

Yes but at this point, Goku can maintain KKx20 Blue for a notable period of time.

I think both are relatively equal. Once they use KKx20 Blue and Blue Evolved, they're equals up until Vegeta's pride boost. I think that falls in line with their Blue levels being equal. The reason why Vegeta performed better outright is because Jiren slowly ramped himself up to deal with Vegeta...

No it doesn't. It blatantly confirms that Kefla was compared to the Genkidama because both were triggers for Ultra Instinct. The trigger for Ultra Instinct was from the explosion of the Genkidama. The Genkidama exploded onto Goku because it expanded beyond its limits as a result of KKx20 Blue...

It would matter because Jiren's energy contributed to the explosion. Kefla was compared to the explosion because both the explosion created by the Genkidama, KKx20 Blue Goku, and Jiren's energies were both triggers for Ultra Instinct.

Trunks is surprised that Goku Black got much stronger which makes me think Trunks didn't quite become as powerful as Goku Black did relative to their previous powers.

Could be many times stronger but I personally like it being just 1.5x stronger. Makes things less bloated as well. Uhhh, Jiren's energy was apart of the collision. The Genkidama wouldn't have expanded if it were only Goku pushing the Genkidama.