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Not seeing it. This was all apparent to the reader the moment Goku blasted Zamasu with that KHH. The only thing Kaioshin' statement proves is to provide a deeper narrative here by establishing that Zamasu had become the monster he blamed the mortals for being.

Absolutely not. SSJG Goku was easily swatting Caulifa away whereas SSJ2 Kale was actually trading hits. SSJ2 Kale was able to push away one of the ki blasts SSJG Goku used whereas the same blast literally decimated SSJ2 Caulifa. The only reason SSJ2 Caulifa's performance was up there with...

That's consistent with his behavior. Jiren didn't bother blasting Goku off after the ring even after battling UI Omen Goku. Once Goku was no longer deemed a threat, Jiren merely left him alone and went back to meditating. Goku even comments on this, stating that Jiren no longer saw him as a...

I think you're disregarding the narrative for a preconceived conclusion. My argument is: Jiren > Goku (vs. Jiren) > Kale ~ Blue Vegeta/Toppo given what the narrative establishes about Goku's strength being far beyond the others. How you took that to mean something else is dishonest and beyond...

I'd have to check back later. I don't remember the specifics of this all that well.

We actually don't know that.

He got stronger. Goku got stronger and yet the writers claim they are equal. It's why Frieza doesn't really need Golden form to compete with Dyspo where Initial Blue was struggling to keep up with him.

Which doesn't amount to anything since Goku still needs Blue to fight Kale. I was strictly referring to Toppo's battle with Vegeta when Kale unleashes her Berserk power a 2nd time. And yeah, Berserker Kale is likely stronger than Gohan and 17 (at the time of fighting Toppo).

Frieza got stronger. Not sure. SSJ Kale is much weaker than SSJ2 Goku and her Berserker form still falls well below God. Could be a 50x difference but that strictly depends on your multipliers.

It's a clear reference to Blue because Goku's Blue power specifically is what causes Jiren to be flinch and get serious. We literally have a full development of Goku ramping things up until Blue which was the moment Jiren was waiting for. We witness Blue Gokus spiraling around with Jiren and...

No because when he was Corrupted, he became much stronger.

No he claims the energy is tremendous and stops his battle with Toppo momentarily. Vegeta blatantly tells Goku to take her seriously. Hit is just calmy watching and assessing the situation. If your only argument is that "Goku said he'll use a little more power!" then that doesn't prove...

Toppo literally states that her energy is tremendous and literally stops the battle to comment on it. He is clearly concerned about it because he expresses that he shouldn't take her lightly. The implication is very clear. I don't think they are dozens of time stronger? Sounds like a personal...

That was true since the very beginning bruh.

Who knows. Tagoma was nearly rendered infertile by Gotenks. The writers would do anything to prevent Goten and Trunks from showing up or doing anything useful.

It's all relative. Goku was primarily in his Base form when battling powerful opponents. Regardless, I think the narrative clearly establishes Blue Goku as the strongest and requires Jiren to use even more power to fight him despite being able to defeat Berserker Kale in a single blow without...

You got it wrong. Vegeta was comparable to Toppo and yet Toppo was impressed by Berserker Kale's power. Blue Vegeta was even concerned about it. Jiren exerts a power far beyond Berserker Kale to one-shot her which the narrator even talks about. In contrast, Goku finally earns the respect of...

The Genkidama is likely closer to UI Omen rather than Kaioken x20 considering the Genkidama exceeds the power that Trunks' Genkidama contained which was enough to kill someone on Vegetto Blue's caliber. Don't forget that while SSJ Kefla was compared to the Genkidama that crashed into Goku, Whis...

The way I see it: SSJB Goku (vs. Jiren) > SSJG Goku (vs. Kale/Caulifa) > SSJ2 Kale > Kale ~ SSJB Goku (Initial) > Dyspo > Final Form Frieza Frieza should still lose.

SSJB Goku (100): 10 LSSJ Kale (100): 10 LSSJ Kale (114): 15 SSJ2 Kale: 20 SSJG Goku: 30 SSJB Goku (109): 75 Numbers out of my ass.