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I think I've watched a couple episodes of Family Guy. There's one the father suggests starting to sell drugs to his daughter lol. Didn't like it in comparison to The Simpsons tho, the latter which had a very intelligent humor imo. Family Guy just seemed pushing and stretching to me.

So you think there's a separate Piccolo for Boo saga and for the CGs? And differing multipliers for the kids?

Yes, I can see you take debates very seriously no matter the circumstances and who you are debating with and always put a lot of effort into your posts, making them as substantiated as possible. Those are traits I definitely respect from you.

If you kept the SSJ as 50x, then yeah, you'd have to assume Piccolo was very weak post rosat, like initial Semi Cell level, then make astonishing gaps for the others. And then assume the kids' SSJ boost was even bigger than 50x, or assume they were way weaker than the adults, like the difference...

Yeah I agree with Spiral, I think Gohan separated well the moments he had to be battle focused and the moments he just could dedicate to his passion. It's interesting that although Gohan doesn't like fighting, his kid self couldn't become immersed in the studies and even told his mom to give it...

Nice debate. I appreciate you two went as in depth as you could in your posts and I appreciate Kyo going as in depth and doing his best to keep it going with solid points about the overall situation when he's already not as engaged in DB debating as before, not to mention free time and such...

I think I have Pui Pui just way weaker than you guys imply here haha, for me he could be anywhere, like even 3rd form Freeza's level seems okay since his head resembles Freeza's a little. I can give him some credit tho and place him at 140,000,000 so Vegeta was beating up former Freeza's power...

Freeza 3rd form -- 1,850,000 Intial Freeza -- 2,400,000 So about a 1.33x increase to me. Vegeta would also be tied down with Freeza, at 2,400,000 and then post speed up Freeza would be like 3,200,000. There're ppl who think Vegeta was even in a losing point vs initial Freeza, as he was seen...

Piccolo = his CGs self [likely maxed after the RoSaT... Which turns out to be 80% of the Cell Juniors, more or less] SSJ Goten and Trunks = Cell Junior Kaioshin = reaching 90% of SSJ CGs Goku. A 60/100 advantage over Piccolo. Sounds very good.

Yeah, but look at his reaction to Goku's burst in comparison to Gohan. If you'd say his chi sensing is shitty so that actually watching their bases fight impresses him more, then he should be more impressed by base Goku's fighting abilities than merely sensing his SSJ2 burst, no?

He sensed SSJ2 Goku's burst just fine.

Why wouldn't Kaioshin sense Gohan accurately? Where's it said his chi sensing is shitty?

The fact is that Shin wasn't terrified of SSJ2 Gohan. He was terrified of base Vegeta. So either he was more easily terrified in the ship because he was overall afraid and not being rational or they took a 180 in the way Shin was supposed to be perceived. If while looking impressed but not in...

The same can be said about assessing Yakon's power through his speed though. The truth is that Shin shat bricks at base Vegeta and wasn't that taken back by SSJ2 Gohan. Maybe, in universe, it shows his extreme fear was clouding how he'd react naturally.

Kaioshin had also sensed SSJ2 Gohan before and was in fear of Yakon.

I still have Piccolo above them. I think all the implications from the Boo saga could be explained nicely, while Piccolo's portrayal of enduring fighting the Cell Juniors and Toriyama making a case to show Piccolo, Vegeta and Trunks were the only ones who got through the assault very well is way...

I think the full power kids being around Cell Juniors level is the last placement I had them. Seems somewhat close to the adults, but still noticeably below 18 in base, who should be << base Gohan and Vegeta. The way the kids defended from the Cell Juniors also remembers me a little the way...

@Keedounan If you're up to it.

Well yeah, if we can find a topic which we don't know the obvious arguments each one will lay out then I think it'd be cool. Maybe Gogeta Vs Vegetto? I think it's possible Gogeta SSJ is around Boohan's level. Or maybe Piccolo Vs Kaioshin since you believe Kaioshin is around MSSJ tier right...

I think that Lunch when she was on her blond mode.