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I'd like for, narrative wise, the 22nd Budokai increase to be bigger than the one he had at Karin. He received a very big increase Vs Karin, indeed. He couldn't do anything to Tao before and outclassed him later. Roshi thought he likely couldn't defeat Mummy if it were Goku from the 21st, but he...

Because he was comparing masters only

Nah, Piccolo just meant that he is even more powerful than befoe. "Still" is interchangeable with "even" in this case, tho it'd be nice if someone could look up for the actual JP word used, I'm lazy now for that. If he were just stressing that Boo continued as higher than Gotenks, then all the...

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Well yeah, point taken on the first paragraph. Still though, I think it's likely 18 was still holding back a little due to her initial apparent relaxing attitude when seeing the dude that was fending off her blows in base increasing their power, which makes it seem like that if Trunks had to...

@Goku9001 It's not simply to dodge. It's dodging feats that resemble each other. That are very much identical to each other... And in both cases, both Goku and 18 highlight Vegeta and Trunks' power. The scenes very much resemble each other. Dodging isn't always an indicative of the superior...

Goku barely dodging Vegeta's blast is very similar to 18 barely dodging Trunks' blast. The way the saw the blast, their reactions when dodging and their following commentaries on their speed and power are very much similar. So I tend to compare both instances moreso due to their similarities...

Kuririn could also likely cut 2nd form Freeza with his Kienzan, and the gap was, like, 6x+ there. So Kienzan can cut way stronger opponents, even with a multifold gap. Some even say Kienzan doesn't have limits, being able to cut anyone independent on the gap.

What? I didn't know the anime was still in the 23rd Budokai when the manga was already on the Z events. Is that right?

I think so. This is an interesting piece of dialogue I had never paid attention to (I mean, comparing both quotes), but I think Goku praised more Tao's strength in retrospect. He was recalling the time he defeated Tao Pai Pai and the problems he had, so when expressing all the trouble he went...

Damn

For us that think 18 was fighting somewhat close to her FP, or even using her FP, does she expect the boost to be really low? And with the boost Goten and Trunks got, did she still perceive them as way below her? Because when the blast is shown to be slightly above her power (she still can...

I think one interesting point is Shin thinking he'd "pin Babidi down", while looking at Babidi seriously... While Piccolo took no knowledge of Babidi and cut him down in half without a little bit of a struggle. Kaioshin >>> Piccolo is backed up by Piccolo clearly using a sentence pertaining to...

I think either Gero is full of shit, which wouldn't be really so heavily leaned on Gero making constant miscalculations, but on the fact he thought absorbing Piccolo's suppressed energy once more would give him the edge vs Vegeta. That's just very hard to accept and almost impossible to...

Yes, I was saying that Trunks seemed to emphasize SSJ3 as its own thing. He even said he was surprised there was something above SSJ. Who knows what he considers exactly as regular fusion? May be what he was already used to, base or SSJ. And it'd be a pretty big leap going from base to SSJ3...

Well, I stand by my position that both premises look possible.

That's why they're jacckkkkkeeedddd

Yeah I think base has a stronger case for being the form which equaled Boo. But SSJ does have too, instead of base, when reading the scene again (breakdown below): I don't mind making numbers bloated. It's ok to me, really. I just drew attention to Piccolo facepalming himself. That alludes...

I don't think so, since Vegeta informed him that Fat Boo was eaten while they were in Boo's stomach.

Reading the scene again tho, the facepalm from Piccolo gets my attention. It seems more like a reaction of "how could have I believed they would stand a chance"... If it were in regards to him misreading Boo, I think the reaction would be more of confusion and "damn he's more powerful than I...