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Tough to say honestly, but I think Tambourine being surprised Cymbal got killed while he tested Kuririn's strength ought to mean he didn't expect that level of power to kill Cymbal. So I'd go with Cymbal. Cymbal was fodder to Yajirobe once Yajirobe got serious as he dodged the energy attacks...

I'd make Vegeta a permanent death in the Freeza arc were not for the Cell arc. Kuririn too. It'd give a good closure to the Freeza arc, Kuririn and specially Vegeta being revived soon afterwards took a little of weight from their deaths. In this case, I imagine there just wouldn't have been any...

They'd give him a pass due to old age.

Kuririn had yet to know Vegeta had SSJ and similarly hadn't seen Piccolo's improvements... And still seem to treat Vegeta as a bigger deal (even Vegeta got killed).

I think they did. Tao Pai seemed to be treated in high regard more due to respect Ten and Tsuru once had for him. Roshi is already surprised Goku defeated Chappa that way, despite seeing his old powers vs Karin... And that level proved to be on equal footing with Kuririn initially... Who is...

SSJ ~ SSJ3 Gotenks, post RoSaT, maybe?

I think he still had some control over himself. So while he turned SSJ out of anger, he wasn't in a completely uncontrollable state where he'd just go SSJ2 snapping like his CGs self. It seems the transformation Vs Kibito wasn't instantaneous, it took some time and powering up, so I think that...

Gohan actually raised his power to FP to defeat Cell. That's why Goku said "you still aren't going all out"... And he was losing to Cell in that state. So weakened Gohan is definitely below SPC.

That's true Mystic, Vagabond is unfinished like HxH. When I get into the last made chapters, I'll take that as finished. @Wolf -- oh man, totally forgot this one. I'll still watch it, I promise. Maybe tomorrow after my tests. Haha I've postponed it long enough, but I know it must be good stuff.

Could someone post the image of the first chapter, the first page, just so I know I'm reading the right one. The Tachiomy Portuguese version diplays many mangas with Kingdom in the name.

I've watched both of these series hehe.

Kingdom will be on my list then when I finish Vagabond

Well he has spoken jokingly about OP so much. It'd be cool if he had this experience. He could either love it or find it pretty silly, I'd like to see his opinion as OP imo is a type of manga that can really get you into the atmosphere and eager for more, or csn just turn you off completely...

I'd slso say reading children's book could be a better investment, depending, than reading more in depth mature themes. We are all adults, we know part of the chaotic world. Why not allienate ourselves in funnier and lighter, but still with worth content, things?

Haha I bet Shuzo Oshimi's mangas like Chi no Wadachi and Flowers of Evil are more mature than Kingdom could ever be. Besides, Monster, Lone Wolf and Cub, Vagabond... All very mature mangas ppl have read here. "Mature", actually, as that's a subjective definition.

Yes he should. I want to see his opinion in it. To hate something, you must know it :troll

Yeah, but Cell using his real speed didn't seem like that big of a power up and it was still enough to be slightly ahead Gohan.

I would like to have a 70/100 gap between [vs Gohan] Cell and FP Cell, 75/100 at least. The power up seemed to be made a big deal out of and Cell thought he could reverse a situation in which he firstly couldn't even see Gohan getting the senzus back. Granted it didn't matter in the end, but I...

One thing I like is Roshi mentioning how Goku matured when commenting he wasn't so emotional as to attack Tenshinhan when he broke Yamcha's leg. Shows recognition and thought over Goku's maturing. I like the Muscle Tower part too. Seeing levels built up to it, in a simple way without too many...

Amazing... I remember seeing the same discussion in several years ago by this wogman and Pakl. Full circle. Ppl like reiterating things that lead to same things, I guess.