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Well, you have to remember what is going on here. Shin expects Badibi's guy to be really strong, probably stronger than all of them. Remember the narrative here. Guys, I might be a god, but I don't know if I'm strong enough to take down Badibi and his men by myself. I need your help. Ok guys...

Sure, he isn't leaving his guard open or anything like that. He's easily able to defeat them, but he can't play games with them either. If he takes on all three at once and he's joking around and gets hit by a Crusher Ball, he might actually have somewhat of a fight on his hands. Badibi and...

Badibi might not be aware of Kaioshin's paralysis techniques. Pui Pui > Expected Saiyans > Kaioshin still holds firm despite this point. That's like saying Gohan and Krillen aren't > Gurd. Shin forgot about Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's power. Yeah, Babidi has a sense of Kaioshin based on what he...

Indeed, which is why picking the correct option is super key here. It's easy to go around and not see the big picture here, but stick to the big facts, not the little ones. Yet Badibi knows Shin and still sent Pui Pui out there and expected Shin to be helpless. Shin expects Pui Pui to be very...

This logical implication is overridden by clear-cut character statements. There are numerous pieces of evidence that suggest Pui Pui isn't anywhere near as weak as the stupid idea of 10x gravity being anything worth bragging about at this level of power. Pui Pui is one of the strongest fighters...

Ala what Shen did at the 23rd Budokai. Shen had a significant advantage to be able to pull that off and still fell victim to Yamcha's Spirit Ball attack. Gohan thinks he can probably win, but is concerned Kibito may be tough enough he can't only pretend he got lucky, he'll actually have to...

For sure, I'm more or less just trying it out for now. But many people could easily see this as a pure gag and hand waive all implications and keep it moving like majority of the fandom does. Remember there's the factor of KibitoShin as well. Kaioshin should be much stronger than the Base...

I believe Android 20 Post Vegeta's Blast does surpass Android 19 by a solid margin, but before absorbing the blast he's 19 Post inferior.

You'd be wrong though. Piccolo considers Kaioshin to be a dimension above him, Kaioshin considers the Saiyans above himself and then Pui Pui is suggested to be above that. Pui Pui is one shotting guys that would one shot Piccolo. This is what the story indicates. RoF Base Gohan seems to have...

Yeah, Galick Gun and Vegeta's other techniques on Namek being in line with the traditional Kamehameha amp should be appropriate. 1.33x or so seems to work out just fine for him. You can definitely make that case, if Vegeta's amp is only 1.33x on Namek, then Piccolo using a 1.6x amp against Cell...

Just as the narrative indicates, Babidi hatching the plan to lure them into the ship, his exclamation at their foolishness to be trapped, Kaioshin's warning of the trap, his anger of them being so easily led in for slaughter and so on. Well Babidi does tell Pui Pui that he has to be careful...

Vegeta’s amp seemed to give even SPC some caution. It seems likely that Gokus could at least put a little dust on him or something I’d say.

Seems the most likely, unless you think Vegeta’s Galicia Gun is tremendously stronger than the Kamehameha and for some reason is unable to vanquish Reecome for some reason. The evidence points towards Kaioken Kamehameha amp being nerfed. Which is why he has to be talking about a Kaioken...

If you take Piccolo's comments at face value, Piccolo outright thinks Ssj Gotenks Pre Rosat has no chance and thinks Base Gotenks Post Rosat might have a chance. This wouldn't be possible unles Base Gotenks Post >> Ssj Gotenks Pre. If Piccolo is to be trusted here. Are you saying that...

Yeah, we most likely are going to have to go that route. I'm trying to really figure out the max spacing I want for the Grade 3 multiplier. I think it's 4x, anything more than that doesn't feel right to me... Super Saiyan Trunks 37.5 Super Saiyan Vegeta 40 Perfect...

Blasts on equal power level strike fear into the heart of an opponent. The way Cell casually walks up to it, completely unguarded, shows us that he's most likely vastly superior. It's one of the biggest signs of dominance the series has ever created. To minimize this gap would be an error imo...

Some problems I'm running into. So the stronger you make Semi Cell/Imperfect Cell over Ssj Goku and Piccolo, the larger the Grade 3 multiplier has to be. I don't really like Grade 3 Trunks being so overwhelmingly more powerful than Cell, because that makes you need to make Cell's buff boost...

It's an error on the writer's part, he should have put like 100x gravity or something. Also, look at how much Trunks struggled with 150x gravity with a base power on par with the Androids. This argument is like saying Trunks can't be stronger than Mecha Freeza Saga Base Vegeta because Vegeta...

The only problem with this is that Pui Pui >>> Piccolo. Everyone seems to conveniently forget this.

Exactly. I think I need to hear someone out on their additive theory first, because all types of explanations that have been tried don't seem to make sense when you actually give the specifics of it. I know I've tried to make it work in the past but it was a massive failure. So until I hear a...