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He’s talking about an estimated FP Cell who’s worlds above what he just showed

This doesn’t to be appear to be true. Kamehameha becomes far more deadly by the end of the series. Did you see what Kamehameha and Final Flash did to Cell? There’s quick charge ki blast and then the ki blast that’s full throttle, their ki amp has gone drastically up.

How strong is light grenade?

This is absolute nonsense. You can't even get anything close to accurate for Goku's Grade 3 power versus Semi Cell by doing this. You'd have to make Goku 10x stronger which is nonsense.

It's something to consider. Super Saiyan 3 is definitely suggested to be a large multiplier in Super for sure. Do you really think Grade 3 Goku can tank Super Saiyan 3 Goku? Seems wrong, no?

Super Saiyan Goku 2,000 Piccolo 2,500 Light Grenade 5,000 Grade 2 Goku 6,000 Imperfect Cell 10,000 Semi Cell...

Well it shouldn't be stronger than Super Saiyan 3 I'd say.

Dude, Vegeta says he will win the tournament in Base with Android 18 right next to him and then his son holds his own against her wearing a freaking costume. And then Base Gotenks vs Base Vegetto is an insane blowout. Read the room brah.

Isn't God a better form that all the others? Not taxing at all?

Now we are talking. Anime scaling is garbage. We are far better off with the manga, and the manga approach seems to go with the movies as canon unles Toyo makes some changes. So movie + manga might be the best way and keeping anything in the anime that doesn't contradict I'd say.

Where's the "lot of effort" from Cell my guy. Bro is going out on a stroll in the park. Cell is 100% playing with his food here. He broke Piccolo's neck with a casual punch. Ok this is much better. Looking good, just where is Cell? It does feel a bit too much to me, but it's definitely...

Sure, but the evidence seems to point in my direction more. Super Saiyan still requires effort to transform into, @ahill1 is creating an unrealistic element here that should hold absolutely zero weight in a debate. Great point and yes, exactly. Special training needed to do that. Oh yeah...

You didn't though because you completely nerfed Imperfect Cell lol I need to see consistency. Show me the other examples of this and their "defensive" levels. Don't know if I'll go that far, but yeah, I was thinking the same. The scene is no joke, he's blowing away everyone in power. 10x is...

The anime is probably better to go off of. So RoF is probably only around Kaioshin then. I'd say this sounds about right, what you think? RoF Gohan 800 Kaioshin 750 Piccolo 500

I'm not sure this works either. Trunks and Goten were unable to pull off this "invisible" Super Saiyan tactic. What makes you think the others could? Is there any evidence of anyone doing this? A burst of Ssj2 energy is completely different than actually performing an attack.

Ok let's try again. Ssj Goku 150 Ssj Goku Rosat 200 Piccolo 250 Grade 2 Goku 500 Light Grenade 500 Imperfect Cell 1,000 Ssj Trunks 2,400 Semi Cell 2,500 Ssj...

How do you expect a 1.5x boost to work? I can't even get a 2x boost to work. I think Grade 2 is going to have to be a mandatory 2.5x boost to really get enough space for Goku to surpass Semi Cell. You already know what I'm going to ask. Where is it? Why are you hiding it? This is the gap that...

Sure, but there's no reason to not accept both so long as they don't contradict. It is sure a lot better than our own imaginations of how things should be don't you think? Exactly, @ahill1 is trying to portray the reverse of reality here. The CG is fa more ambiguous than the Buu Saga and Super...

Goku is likely 1.6x stronger, not 1.5x.

How strong is Expected Goku? 210?