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Goku was born violent too. It's ultimately irrelevant. Plus, the only other Saiyans with softer hearts being Goku's parents just undermines Goku's own significance even more.

I don't have a problem with Saiyans being capable of change, but Goku is supposed to be an exception to the rule by the Saiyan arc otherwise Vegeta's whole speech is thematically meaningless. Right, but coupling that with the ability to grant the user more strength by sacrificing life, all one...

Again, the problem is the extreme. There is little to no room for input on Goku's part. It just doesn't make sense that Goku would be okay with that. The whole problem is Bardock being softer. It completely undermines the themes of the Saiyan arc for Bardock to be like Goku. That in and of...

Doesn't matter if it's in world or not. Foreshadowing requires intent and Ultra Instinct wasn't intentional. It was slap dash and uses Whis's throw away line as an excuse for its existence. I agree that Ultra Instinct isn't a bad power up, it just doesn't suit Goku as he's sacrificing his own...

Except if you know anything about the creation of Ultra Instinct, Whis's line wasn't foreshadowing anything. The anime staff pestered Toriyama about creating a transformation for the ToP because they wanted the anime to end with a bang. It wasn't planned at all. Again, Ultra Instinct is taking...

I vehemently disagree in regards to SSGSS Berserk. It's pretty much the only form in the whole of modern Dragon Ball that felt actually worked for his character. Overcoming opposition through embracing the man he's become and declaring that passion for fighting and self improvement are what...

All the time I see praise leveled at these forms for their contributions to Goku and Vegeta as characters, but I just don't get it. On the surface, sure, Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego are cool, but they feel like they are fundamentally in opposition to who Goku and Vegeta are as characters, or...

Sure, but I do find it funny how Goku has never actually beaten Vegeta in a fight, yet Vegeta has this complex in spite of this, lol. I know there's context as to why, but it's amusing all the same.

No. As many problems as the Artificial Human Arc has, objectively speaking, I do ultimately like how it turned out. It's honestly my go to example of a story that is better in spite of its objective inconsistencies because things were more engaging because of those retcons. That said, I want to...

Even if Goku had a tail and transformed into an Oozaru, Vegeta still would have won. Oozaru Goku doesn't have his rationality and therefore wouldn't be able to use the Kaio-ken. Vegeta definitely won that fight.

I don't go by the anime cuz it's an adaptation of the manga that takes its own strange liberties. The manga portrays UFPLBSS4 Goku and Vegeta as equal to Ultra Instinct Sign Goku and SSGSS Controlled Berserk Vegeta. The manga also doesn't portray SSGSS Vegetto as equal to UFPLBSS4 Vegetto.

Yeah, no he forgot everything. It's not a theory, it's a fact. Goku's assertion that he should've finished him on Namek is merely alluding to the fact he didn't decisively kill him. He thought Freeza would die with Namek, but he was wrong. He most certainly expected him to die and is just...

Shit, ur right I guess maybe take out Obuni and Nuova Shenron for base and Super Saiyan Future Gohan.

Given recent news about Super Saiyan 4's potential inclusion in Sparking! Zero thanks to Sean Schemmel letting that slip, felt like I'd go into some roster speculation with GT's inclusion. 164 slots seems to be the base game's limit. 165 if we include the pre-order bonus, so here's the roster I...

Well, that I guess depends on which version of AF we're talking about, in which case, you'd have to ask their writers. If you're asking for a multiplier for a hypothetical official Super Saiyan 5, that would depend entirely on how it's approached. It also depends on whether or not we take into...

https://tiermaker.com/create/dragon-ball-arcs---sagas-db-dbz-dbgt-dbs-1094484 Bare in mind I consider the Trunks, Android, and Cell sagas to all be one arc, so I didn't bother with ranking the various sections of the arcs. Have fun.

https://tiermaker.com/create/all-transformations-dragon-ball-15628501 have fun

I mean, I think a better question would be if Dragon Ball fatigue wasn't at an all time high, would GT have continued? And the answer to that is yes. Path to Ultimate Strength's lesser box office is further evidence of that fatigue.

Gohan is about as strong as Goku in his casual Beast state, but when at full power, he's definitely a good deal stronger than Goku, being able to bypass UI's abilities and knock Goku out of the form. Vegeta is just as strong as Goku and Gohan with Ego I think. Even if being totally pwn'd by...