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After Vegeta sees 20 run to the blast, check his reaction.

Where does Kaioshin say he's expecting a fight? Babidi walks away from the fight and comes back a couple minutes later, shocked to find out Pui Pui hasn't killed them all. He'd need at least a 1.5x advantage to do that in that amount of time. Shin is a complete non-factor in Babidi and...

A Kaioshin who has already admitted inferiority to the Saiyans as well. Kaioshin is a complete non factor and isn't suggested to do anything to be able to stop Pui Pui from wrecking all 3 Saiyans. Pui Pui 150 Estimated Saiyans 100 Kaioshin 75 Piccolo 50 This is what makes sense to me.

Vegeta is literally concerned with 20 absorbing that much energy, it isn't as generic as you think. Remember, generic blasts can have just as much power as named attacks.

Indeed it does I love this play of numbers here… It’s a beautiful set of numbers with perfect spacing and feels right. Base 3, 4, 4.5, 5 Ssj 1.5, 2, 2.25, 2.5 Ssj 2 5, 6, 8, 10 Can’t beat the Gotenks/Gohan gaps 2, 3, 4, 4.5, 5 Umm yeah I’m going to rock your idea and see what happens

I'm finally done. This hit everything I want... It's a huge increase of numbers from before, but that's what happens when you really take those Buu Saga Base Saiyans powers seriously. The only ones I didn't take seriously is the Base Gotenks situation, opting for GSM's explanation. I think...

He wants Goku, so he's not going to agree to lose to Piccolo if he ends up fighting him first. You have to accept the narrative here. Vegeta's only concern is Goku, and Base is more than enough to deal with all contestants that are not Goku. Everything suggest Base > Everything.

Well, it's really not the fans fault here though. When the author does something so jarring that even 30 years later people are having a hard time accepting it, you probably did something to garner that reaction. The Base Saiyans went from being over 50x weaker than a newly formed Piccolo, to...

This is why you the goat. Just "slap you silly, right in front of your face" points while we flounder to try to explain some intricate point to the tenth level that is getting us nowhere and boom Pyro with the delicate bomb casually wrecking all discussion. My man.

Goku 5,000 Yakkon 4,500 Vegeta 4,000 Gohan 3,000 Pui Pui 1,500 Estimated Saiyans 1,000 Supreme Kai 750 Piccolo 500 Trunks...

Precisely. And remember, Kaioshin just explicitly spoke about how little of a threat Freeza was, all to be astonished at Vegeta wrecking Pui Pui. Pui Pui is way above Freeza.

Vegeta is not dumb. He is capable of assessing his Base power versus 18 and Piccolo in a base only situation. Gohan would never present an idea in which the Saiyans would lose. Hey Vegeta mind taking 2nd place to Piccolo is not a real question What you are doing is a leap of logic stick to...

But this isn’t a nuanced take on the events here. Vegeta has short term goals and long term goals. He is about to enter a new realm of power potentially and Piccolo is not even a thought. It doesn’t mean Vegeta doesn’t recognize Piccolos superiority. There is zero indication of Vegeta...

So long as you pay the price of admission. Base Goku is multi folds above Piccolo, if you have Piccolo that strong that means Base Goku is above MSSJ Goku. Which doesn’t make any sense. Piccolo simply cannot be that strong mathematically.

Apparently so since Piccolo could. But I think Piccolo at the Cell Games is intended to be near Vegeta and Trunks and he changed his mind for the Buu Saga. I think he looked back and said, can I get away with this, and deemed he could. He wasn’t fully committed to Piccolos power so there’s...

@Goku9001 Yeah that 10/8/6 spacing might be perfect. And 5 for Cell makes it a quadruple whammy. I think the fandom would say hey that’s nice and clean

Agreed, he also clowns Imperfect Cell, but according to the Buu Saga implications, Trunks should be well ahead of the Future Androids.

@GreatSaiyaman123 Those numbers are really starting to shape up brother, when I get a little more time I’m really hone in on them. @Goku9001 Great points

Yep

What happened now with the boys that says that? I think this is our answer then @GreatSaiyaman123 This has been the solution to a lot of our problems. The boys have been all over the place implication wise. They are only around 18, then the adults are way above Piccolo but then the boys are...