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Yeah, the Kid Gohan vs PC gap becomes an issue. I like it around 50-55% or so. That’s always felt right. I feel like all those Ssj2 powers are close. I hadn’t considered this issue in the past regarding the Vegeta and Goku gap, this probably seals the deal for me. I got the initial Androids ~...

Yeah I have 19 Post around 85% of 20 Post. 20 Post Vegeta’s Blast should be significantly superior to 19 Post.

How does this go?

Our numbers seem to be perfect. Goku 100 Kid Gohan 90 Vegeta 80 Teen Gohan 60 Cell 50 Has always seemed to be an awesome spacing.

Do you think the kids powered up massively in Super considering they can keep up with Cell Jrs now? Before they were below Piccolo's power, now they are without a doubt way above Piccolo's power are they not. Or at least Piccolo's old power.

That's true. Cell is absorbing more than just ki, he's absorbing ki and flesh and bone.

I’ll def help you with the 150 Namek Goku list @GreatSaiyaman123 What do you think are some of the problem areas. I found a problem with making Gohan and Goku very distant in the Buu Saga. If you make the rage boost too large it will make Teen Gohan and Vegeta weaker than PC which doesn't...

Vegetto 400,000,000 Buuhan 375,000,000 Gokan 350,000,000 Buutenks 300,000,000 Ultimate Gohan 225,000,000 Ssj 3 Gotenks 150,000,000 Super Buu 150,000,000 Ssj2 Gotenks 30,000,000 Super Buu...

Piccolo (W/o Weights) 2,500,000,000 Android 17 2,500,000,000 Android 18 2,250,000,000 Piccolo (W/Weights) 2,200,000,000 Imperfect Cell Post...

Piccolo (Initial) 220 Piccolo (Post Drain) 210 Piccolo (Post Regen) 200 Cell (Post Absorption) 185 Cell 175 Vegeta...

I think it's a good fit. I mean, what other option do you have? Where do you place Base Gotenks then? Below Super Saiyan Goku by a wide margin?

That's for sure. I'd say Base Gotenks at bare minimum gotta be stronger than Super Saiyan Goku by a little. Hmmm... Check this out. This may be the way. Ssj Goku 90 Base Gotenks 100 Base Gotenks Post 150 Ssj3 Goku 4,500 Ssj Gotenks...

Buu does a tremendous power up. I think Super Buu initial power is very close to Ssj Gotenks Post. Nice, never considered that line being interpreted like that. Ok, I think I'll have to agree with you here. This may be the best way to go. I'll try it out.

Because it interferes with the “Goku is de best” thing

How is Pui Pui only 30 million when Shin is shocked that Vegeta can easily dispose of him? That makes zero sense. If Pui Pui is weaker than Freeza, how would this make sense?

Powering up 17, 18. And Freeza to these ridiculous levels was a mistake. They should have just made new characters like he always did. Bring in Pikkon or something. And we should have gotten Cooler or something. Once it gets to god level it’s hard to start bringing in all of these new characters.

And I’ll go with Gokus estimate over yours.

So Super Buu’s ki remains the same as it was, with it being significantly stronger than Ssj Gotenks Pre? Super Buu 5 Ssj Gotenks Post 5 Ssj Gotenks Pre 3 Or something like that? Only take the Ssj implications seriously and so on? I think I’ve held this position before, it’s tough not to fall...

That’s pure madness on your part. His initial introduction already puts him at a minimum of 8x superior to Goku. Super Saiyan Gotenks Pre Rosat is already on par with Super Saiyan 3 Goku. At minimum Super Saiyan 2 is a 2x boost and Super Saiyan 3 is a 4x boost. Hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 Pre...

I have it as a 60% gap. That’s quite large no? How much would you suggest?