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Yeah, that's what I was thinking man. 10x should be standard for this tremendous bear. But the idea of Goku struggling lifting the car kind of makes sense. But on the same end, I don't think Bear Bandit would struggle with that car. It would be physically impossible, he's so much bigger than the...

Is it possible that Base Goku = Warm up Ssj Goku? Could it be that massive of a gap? Piccolo could then be quite powerful I'd say, easily eclipsing many characters. Is it possible the boys are just so severely weak compared to the adults, that they did a massive power up which got them to Cell...

Mr. Satan has to be 6.66, no doubt about it

Yes, but often times, "huge", "tremendous", "wide" all mean monumentally different things than we initially assume. Do you think Trunks can tank Cell? Yes or no? Because tanking is an extreme feat and we have zero evidence that Trunks can. Do you have any evidence other than "wide margin"...

Trunks thinks that the costume is nerfing them by over 50x. Listen, I didn't write this scene, it is completely ridiculous. Trunks can be wrong. He should be able to completely tank everything 18 has and finger flick her to death. I DID NOT WRITE IT. But the costume is far more restrictive than...

This is the world where they consider a 1.1x advantage huge. Even the anime doesn't have Trunks capable of tanking Cell. Trunks can't tank Cell at all.

The boys can't win even with Super Saiyan without ki blasts. You gotta factor in the suit more, you are missing a huge piece.

The Gero situation is more difficult. You have two contradicting ideas, you have to choose one.

The only times I ever argue anything other than Base > Ssj is when I'm doing power levels. If we just simple read what's given to us, it's very simple. Gotenks previous Super Saiyan power was not enough to stand a chance against Buu, and now, even in his regular form, he's about equal to that...

Grade 3 Trunks is barely above Warm Up Cell, 50% Goku is LEAGUES beyond him. 50% Goku is possibly strong enough to compete with Full Power Cell. Warm Up Cell is noted as being nothing compared to what his full power might be. This debate has always made zero sense to me. 50% Goku is on a...

Honestly, I see no reason to make Piccolo all that strong. If he can defeat 3 of his previous self, that should be pretty good. How bloated are we going to make things? The boys should be as close as possible to the adults, no reason to overly empower Piccolo who has no feats at all to suggest...

This might be the best chapters in Super in a long while. This Goten and Trunks saga is great, it's light and fun, slice of life stuff. I think Super should have a lot more of stuff like this than anything. Really flesh out the characters. Honestly, I used to hate the Gohan at school stuff, but...

Alright, let's do power levels, start to finish completely from scratch no scouters. Let's see how this goes. Farmer 5 Mr. Satan 6.66 Videl 7 Videl (Post Training) 8 Pterodactyl 20 Bear Bandit 25 Krillen 30 Orin Temple Bullies 40 Yamcha 45 Goku 50 Yamcha Wolf Fang Fist 52.5 Yamcha 21st 60...

How come she didn't easily overpower Trunks then? Why did she have to use an evasive maneuver? She should have just increased her speed and overwhelmed him. She did not because she COULD NOT. Nothing indicates she could have significantly shown more power than she previously showed.

Exactly, so Trunks is so strong that he can't be one shot. That means he's ridiculously strong, right? I mean, he's above 80% of her power at bare minimum. And that would be if he was fighting at equal footing, he's on someone's shoulders! He can see her punches. Goku was having a hard time...

Mr. Satan has to be 6.66, no doubt about it. The other stuff looks pretty good but Bear Bandit shouldn’t be more than half Goku imo.

Holding back as in not KOing. Her intent is to KO everyone. If she’s not, there needs to be a specific reason for it. With Hercule, she wants to convince him that she will take a dive for double the prize money so she holds back from insta-KO. Everyone in her path gets insta-KO’d. Her intent...

How so? Piccolo is piss weak, weaker than RoF Base Gohan who is most likely much weaker than Teen Gohan.

Because they stated that they didn’t want to kill them and they wanted to have some fun just like the narrative entails. The exact opposite of what she’s doing at the tournament.

How come 18 didn’t one shot him?