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No, because everyone is surprised he has Super Saiyan 2 and he's still the definitive threat, not Dabura. What is the point if Dabura is a bigger threat?

Piccolo seemed to hold them off decently and he's what, several times below Base Kid Gohan?

Yeah, after my last research into the topic, it's best to conclude that everyone assumes Gohan's full power is his Super Saiyan power. How to explain the Budokai would probably have to go that Gohan got mad enough to transform, but no one expects Gohan to have that as his regular capable form...

So a Super Saiyan can kill a Super Saiyan 2 with a blast? Also, didn't Super confirm that Super Saiyan 2 was much larger than two times as well? Zamasu? I don't see why Super Saiyan 2 wouldn't be quite large, Super Saiyan 3 seems to likely be around the same size as the Super Saiyan boost...

But Ssj2 is unlikely to be merely 2x.

Yeah Kyo ended this one quick

So are you suggesting the boys powered up massively in the Rosat?

Ok I see. And then couple that with Piccolo coming out strongest because of his intellect. That’s a possible pathway and helps explain at least a little why Gotenks is so much stronger. If that’s the case there’s no real reason to not give Piccolo a sizable power up as there’s no real...

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This conclusion is wild. Piccolo > Base Boys Post > Base Boys Pre The boys are struggling with 18, nothing suggests they gained a tremendous amount of power themselves.

Why can't this be? Is it possible that Vegeta and Goku have surpassed Gohan by so much they have surpassed his Super Saiyan 2 power with just their Super Saiyan power alone? Wouldn't this approach have the least amount of consistency in regard to how the statements work?

Dudes, I'm lifting like once every 6-8 days right now. It actually seems to be working. I've heard that maintaining muscle requires 1/3 of the effort of growing muscle as well. It seems totally possible to lift only 4 times a month and hit each body part only once a month and still maintain your...

It's probably significant. They make a tremendous deal about a 1.1x advantage, so it gets very dicey a couple percentage points up or down. Like Freeza is getting dominated right, more or less, but the speed seems equal, it's probably in all likelihood 96%, 93% is most likely too far. It had...

It's elite. Gap consistency is the best way. It is sure better than complete randomness.

Then how come Goku was unable to damage 19?

It's hyperbole brother. Check the panels, 19 is shaking everything off quite easily. Ok, so you have Vegeta vs PC and Gohan vs PC at far greater gaps than that then right?

Goku did 0 damage to 19. He cannot be 60%. You have 19 at 60% of Vegeta. Every strike Vegeta lands causes massive damage, Goku hardly damages 19. Whatever gap you have Vegeta and 19, 19 must be around 10% closer than that.

The reboot would have to occur from the Buu Saga. There's a ton of good in the Buu Saga, but the quality is tremendously lower in regards to consistent story telling and power scaling. We don't like what they did with Piccolo, the whole SSJ/SSJ2 Gohan nonsense, the Gotenks madness and so on...

He must be out of rivaling range I'd think. What percentage of Goku is 19 Pre?

Ah you forget one thing though, Sick Goku is leagues above 20. So what you are saying is unlikely. Not to mention 19 isn’t terribly far off from Goku as well. So there’s really nowhere for you to go here. Goku 100 19 Post 90 20 80 19 Pre 70 Show me your alternative solution.