More like ~24k since the Gyarikku Ho was an amplified attack equal to Kaioken x3 Galu, at least if we're treating a planet of Earth's mass as the subject of discussion. 18k's probably enough to destroy smaller Planets, especially if including anime filler like Arlia's destruction or King Vegeta planet busting.Supreme said:Do you guys think 18k+ is the bare minimum?
GreatSaiyaman123 said:Maybe Goku lost some power due to Kaioken, but i doubt Vegeta lost. A really bad beatdown is necessary to take your power down.
Future Warrior said:I'd say Vegeta would have only been able to destroy the earth via chain reaction, not outright obliterate it in an instant like what Piccolo did to the moon.
Supreme said:Vegeta took multiple huge hits from someone at 24,000, I'd have to think that had some effect.
He wasn't implied to have lost any power after taking a 4x Kaioken Kamehameha, plus the fact he took it at all speaks volumes to his durability and stamina. Goku was also able to use Kaioken x4 and both use Kaioken and take hits from Oozaru Vegeta afterwards, so I doubt his short use of Kaioken x3 had much effect on his power.Supreme said:Vegeta took multiple huge hits from someone at 24,000, I'd have to think that had some effect.
There's a big difference in experience though. Goku and Vegeta have been shown to go through extensive battles and not lose Ki very quickly. Meanwhile, Freeza hasn't trained at all and, whilst having exceptional survival durability, is never implied to be a top tier in fighting stamina.Supreme said:An interesting counter, however, would be Piccolo vs Freeza. Piccolo apparently did noticeable damage to Freeza in their short clash, at least enough for Vegeta to note it after the fact. Could it not be possible that Goku's heavy hits while Kaioken x3 did some damage?
Kaio: “But Son Goku has no strength left. Even without Oozaru, the Saiyan may be more than enough for him. But he’s gotten weaker too! The way he is now, if we could only hit him with the Genki-Dama, we’ll win for sure!!!!”