Can SSJ Vegeta (post BBA) > Twenty?

[withheldforprivacy]

Perhaps the reason Vegeta would have easily lost is that he could no longer stay in SSJ form
(the unmastered SSJ was pretty stamina consuming back then). This way, he doesn't have
to have lost a huge deal of power by BBA, which makes little sense.

 

[Papasmurf]

He reverted to base straight after finishing 19 so that's quite possible. Perhaps he thought even if he had the edge at first, his stamina giving out would've put him in the same boat as Galu.

 

[Future Warrior]

I can see that.

 

[sei'taer]

It's more likely he couldn't stay in SSJ because he lost so much chi against 19.

 

[GSM123]

He spend a good while in Super Saiyan and only returned to base after he landed on the ground.

 

[Papasmurf]

He spend a good while in Super Saiyan and only returned to base after he landed on the ground.

Wasn't he in the air for like a page after 19 died? Wouldn't call that a good while, lol.

 

[GSM123]

The way he reverts to base seems pretty normal though. He just calmly flies to the ground and goes back to base. Several chapters later we saw Vegeta maintaining the form on a far worse state after getting wrecked by 18 but he was still a Super Saiyan until 18 broke his other arm.

 

[Papasmurf]

I don't think ki loss necessarily has to correlate with injuries, plus we're not arguing Vegeta couldn't stay in SSJ at all, just that it wouldn't be practical against a ki absorbing opponent to do it while fatigued considering how much ki MSSJ Goku lost later despite having far less issues with SSJ.

 

[GSM123]

I thought we were arguing about Vegeta being able to maintain the form? I mean, it's what Withheld was talking about on the OP.

 

[Papasmurf]

I thought we were arguing about Vegeta being able to maintain the form? I mean, it's what Withheld was talking about on the OP.

Even sick Goku could maintain the form before the heart virus fully fucked him up. Buy even while FP as a SSJ he couldn't do any noticeable damage to 19 before his dogshit stamina fucked him

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Even if Vegeta could maintain Super Saiyan at that point, I feel like his Chi was so depleted that he'd get rolled regardless.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I can see Vegeta still being stronger, considering it wasn't made 100% clear that he was weaker. Along with SSJ burning through Ki pretty fast, him being brought down even close to #20's level would put the odds against him as his Ki blasts would just be absorbed and melee range would just give #20 an opportunity to grab some energy. Without enough of a power advantage to stomp or blitz the androids, there wasn't much Vegeta could do in the long run.

 

[Symbiote]

If I remember right Vegeta powered down as soon as Gero left and flat out stated that he was bluffing and he was almost out of energy. #19 stole a lot of energy from him and he didn't have the form for that long to master it. If Gero would have called his bluff and attacked him straight on Vegeta and everyone else would have fallen, but if the senzu still came into play I say Vegeta would have pulled through since he wouldn't give Gero the opportunity to steal his energy like he did to #19.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If I remember right Vegeta powered down as soon as Gero left and flat out stated that he was bluffing and he was almost out of energy.

He didn't say anything in regard to his bluff, only telling Kuririn to quickly give him a Senzu. Piccolo's the only one who said Vegeta probably would've lost.

However, the validity of the statement is pretty vague. After all, they can't sense Gero's Ki, nor have they seen enough of him in action to judge his strength based on his movements like #19. There's a good chance they could've been overestimating Gero in much the same way Piccolo later stated.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Piccolo took a direct attack from Gero. That should at least give him a good indication of how strong he is.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It was such a low level attack he even bothered to say no matter how strong #20 was, an attack like that wouldn't bring him down though.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I don't think the attack was Gero's best, either, but there has to be some basis to Piccolo stating Vegeta would've been done for. Aside from Gero's brief display of speed, the eye lasers would've been the only other opportunity to gauge his power. I just don't think Piccolo would state something like that unless he truly believed Vegeta would've lost. Vegeta needed the senzu to give chase, so I could see his Super Saiyan power being really weak at that point.

Before they go off to find Gero, he also seems sure that none of them outside of Vegeta and himself could take Gero on. I'd say he had a good understanding of Gero's power despite his analysis being incomplete.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Piccolo only seemed to realise they'd overestimated #20 once Big Green started stomping him though, which would suggest his estimations of Gero were pretty off until then. Not only that, but his wording along the lines of "I don't care how strong he is. It'll take more than that to bring me down" would suggest he estimated Initial Gero to be somewhat relevant to his full power.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Those are fair points.

 

[sei'taer]

If I remember right Vegeta powered down as soon as Gero left and flat out stated that he was bluffing and he was almost out of energy.

He didn't say anything in regard to his bluff, only telling Kuririn to quickly give him a Senzu. Piccolo's the only one who said Vegeta probably would've lost.

However, the validity of the statement is pretty vague. After all, they can't sense Gero's Ki, nor have they seen enough of him in action to judge his strength based on his movements like #19. There's a good chance they could've been overestimating Gero in much the same way Piccolo later stated.

The only thing that isn't vague is that vegeta lost a lot fighting 19. I mean he could still be stronger than 20 but it's unlikely.