Chapter 20 Leaks (Spoilers Obviously)

[Pyro]

http://imgur.com/a/8CmMI



Shit's getting intense with the introduction of Super Saiyan Rose and Trunks seemingly sacrificing himself for Goku and Vegeta to go back in time and (presumably, can't confirm without translations) get the Mafuba.

 

[Void]

God damnit, I was just about to post this. piss

That's a ridiculous zenkai, Super Saiyan Black seems to be superior to Blue Vegeta with now.

So Zamasu has some Psychic/Telekinetic powers here?

Trunks staying behind so Goku and Vegeta can leave is pretty bold, I wonder if he dies?

lol at Goku being able to operate the time machine, and he actually remembered the Senzus! Hopefully they only need to make one trip back to end this.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku can operate a spaceship, he just can't remember the Mafuba seal

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

God damnit, I was just about to post this. piss

That's a ridiculous zenkai, Super Saiyan Black seems to be superior to Blue Vegeta with now.

So Zamasu has some Psychic/Telekinetic powers here?

Trunks staying behind so Goku and Vegeta can leave is pretty bold, I wonder if he dies?

lol at Goku being able to operate the time machine, and he actually remembered the Senzus! Hopefully they only need to make one trip back to end this.

Well he knows how to turn on the gravity.

 

[Papasmurf]

 

[Future Warrior]

So SSGSS Vegeta ~ SS/SS2 Goku Black now? Was he holding back or some shit?

 

[Papasmurf]

Doubtful considering that Black was losing to even SSJ2 Vegeta and would've gotten killed had Vegeta not thrown him in the air to kill him with a flashy attack. Seems he just gets absurdly haxed zenkais compared to everyone else like in the animu.

 

[Papasmurf]

Read the full scans of chapter 20. (Warning: not in English)

So far what we missed from the leaks:

Black has two zenkais, not one. First was from being healed from the beating Vegeta gave last chapter, which put him somewhat above him (enough to injure a Vegeta who was seemingly drained a tad after the last Final Flash to the point where he'd normally acquire a zenkai had he not overtrained). The second was after the rejuvenated Vegeta fought back a bit more and triggered his full mastery of Goku's body when healed afterwards, of course unlocking Rose.

According to Black, he no longer possesses psychic powers akin to those of Kibito and Kaioshins after his acquisition of Galu's body (although he could still paralyze Vegeta), and could hardly even access SSJ at first when first stealing the body. Thus he let Trunks escape during their many fights so he could slowly get used to the body, while his counterpart can still use godly powers such as healing and teleporting objects.

Goku standing in front of Zamasu as a normal Super Saiyan indeed occurs after he already beat him up a bit in Blue, which is perhaps the stupidest part of this chapter considering how transforming out of Blue is considered incredibly draining

There is no resistance or Future Yajirobe to be seen, so Black is able to track Mai's ki without a hitch despite the Saiyans suppressing, but she and Trunks tricked them with mannequins and bought time for Galu/Veggie's escape.

Goku somehow knows of Mutaito even though he only learned the Mafuba's existence in the 23rd Budokai where such was not explained. Not technically a plot hole if he heard about it from Piccolo, Kuririn or any other Z fighter though.

 

[Papasmurf]

An interesting revelation, though, is that acquiring the SSJ form doesn't seem to necessarily stunt zenkais at all (since Black got them as a SSJ), it's training to your limits that does that. Considering that Trunks has been a super saiyan since at least the age of 13 and knows of this trait, it may be that zenkais didn't really disappear, they just got smaller as that Daizenshuu entry said as the Saiyans trained and grew stronger.

It's still a cancerous explanation considering that Black is like a quintillion times stronger than Cell arc Saiyans were, but it's the closest thing to an explanation we got for them disappearing post-Freeza regardless.

 

[ekrolo2]

Both the anime and the manga screwed up when it came to how Black gets stronger. The anime treats it more like Black unlocking existing power inside of Goku's body (a far better explanation than Zenkai) but then has him sometimes randomly heal from all damage or be outright impervious to it and other times get hurt with no rhyme or reason. The manga explains the healing better by having Future Zamasu fix him up but if its just a case of getting beaten up and not fighting stronger opponents to draw out more strength, why doesn't Black just let Future Zamasu beat him up over and over then heal him?

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah, in the anime it seemed as though he synchronized with Goku's body following his first encounter with him, then fought Vegeta for an extra boost upon turning Rose. In the manga it's explicitly stated that his main reason for allying with his future counterpart may be his ability to heal him, and that he used the zenkai trait which Goku and Vegeta can no longer use to further link his soul and body until he was able to turn into a god form himself. He also apparently used Trunks to trigger part of these increases even though Trunks never actually injured him badly so far

 

[ekrolo2]

Trunks did say Black used to need Super Saiyan in their fights which means Trunks might've been a threat to him before until his power rose but even this is flimsy because Trunks has never seen Zamasu. He even says he's never known for Black to have an ally or anything.

Stuff like this is what makes me think that Toyotaro was going for something closer to the anime early on then midway shifted gears. Like how Black goes to investigate Trunks' weird disappearance then does nothing until the cavalry shows up later.

 

[Papasmurf]

For what its worth he did say that he could originally not even turn Super Saiyan properly, and Trunks notes that Black is stronger than the last time in just the last chapter which suggests he might be able to increase his power simply from fighting (he only really got punched once when Trunks fled to the past), not necessarily from being forced to heal up. It's still a garbage way to gain power, but it can be deduced I suppose. It's also worth noting that until recently Black couldn't even sense ki in his new body, showing he may indeed get better as he adapts.

Another thing that's funny as all getout is that Black clearly tried to kill Trunks when he got on the time machine by firing his KHH, yet now it's stated he kept sparing him like in that flashback... even though he never anticipated Goku and Vegeta to show up, so he'd be out of (Saiyan) opponents. So you may be right about Toyo rewriting the plot after seeing the anime repeat that time travel shit like 3x.

 

[Papasmurf]

And I still don't get why the fuck Goku powered down to SSJ1 when he began fighting Zamasu in SSJB, considering Vegeta is still fighting in the form and Goku's used the form for entire sparring sessions before. Does he too plan to lose 91% of his strength?

Also on another note, the dialogue in these past few chapters clearly mirror certain lines in the anime (you can't use Kakarotto's body, you're just scum renting it! and "it's not too late, use the Dragon Balls to restore t3h dudez!"), so I do think Toyotaro will ultimately do the same bullshit Zeno ending as the anime since it seems they're rushing into the final fight once Goku returns with the Mafuba urn.

 

[Keedounan]

And I still don't get why the fuck Goku powered down to SSJ1 when he began fighting Zamasu in SSJB, considering Vegeta is still fighting in the form and Goku's used the form for entire sparring sessions before. Does he too plan to lose 91% of his strength?

We might get an explanation with the translations. Probably a flimsy one, but it's better than none.

 

[Papasmurf]

Nah, I can read Korean and there's no real explanation in the chapter. There is situational evidence, however that Goku underestimated Zamasu due to him being much weaker than Black, and wasn't aware of Zamasu's immortality when he impaled him. At the same time it's still fucking stupid since he offered to fight Black together with Vegeta before this

 

[Keedounan]

Nah, I can read Korean and there's no real explanation in the chapter. There is situational evidence, however that Goku underestimated Zamasu due to him being much weaker than Black, and wasn't aware of Zamasu's immortality when he impaled him. At the same time it's still fucking stupid since he offered to fight Black together with Vegeta before this

Okay, Goku (manga) makes his anime counterpart look like a genius

 

[Papasmurf]

nah, he'll officially be that dumb if he fucks up with the Mafuba like in the anime. So far the anime Galu's got too much of a lead for the manga one to overtake him just yet

 

[ekrolo2]

Both the anime and the manga have a problem by making Black only this weak: how the fuck does he kill Hit exactly? In the anime they even imply Earth is the last planet left with sentient life and here, Black can't even beat Trunks without Super Saiyan until he powers up later.

 

[Papasmurf]

Maybe Zamasu was busy outlasting Hit with his immortality while Black was busy killing everybody else

Either that, or you know, time ring hax. Just jump over to when Hit is asleep and one-shot him.