Clickbait Title: KALE IS STRONGER THAN SUPER SAIYAN GOD SUPER SAIYAN?!!

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I'll start this off nice and sweet like a standard hardcore porno these days. Kale, or Female Broly, or Brale, is NOT stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Goku—at least not from what I witnessed. Let me lay it out for you cucks.

What does Goku do when Kale first turns into her Berseker Mode? He gets all giddy. He doesn't quake in fear or consider transforming further. What does Goku do when Kale confronts him? He remains in Super Saiyan 2 and fights. What's to say Kale is using her full power to harm Goku? The fact that she audibly says she's going to kill him, and the fact that she doesn't appear to have much control over herself, to the point where she could kill Caulifla, her own sister that she cares almost too much for. Her toying with Goku would contradict the very nature of the form in the first place, and her intent. What happens when Kale and Goku do fight? Goku dodges and blocks most of her attacks up until she begins to overwhelm him before he goes Blue. When she's tossing him back and forth like a rag doll, he isn't hurt or struggling to escape from her; he's taking the beating as if it's merely an inconvenience for him. His attacks don't harm or even budge her, but none of her attacks inflict any damage on him either.

Getting to Blue, Goku specifically says he's going to let out more power – not that he's going to use full power or go all-out. His Kamehameha is tanked in a near mirror image of the Movie 8 scene, but it's really not all that impressive when you consider there's no indication it was 100% effort and Goku's firing it while in Blue, something he also did against Krillin. He's not showing any signs of struggle in her grasp following that, and the scene only lasts a few moments to begin with, giving us no real grounds to say she had him in some inescapable vice that because she was so much stronger than him. The only time he shows any sign of pain is after their fight, when he's coming out of the rubble and saying "ow" repeatedly.

So what exactly is it that solidifies her as a contender for Super Saiyan Blue? Is it the mere fact that Goku opted to use the form against her? Because if the tournament buildup taught me anything, it's that Super Saiyan Blue isn't the best indicator of where an opponent stands, and without confirmation of her power from a corroborating source or out-of-universe source, I have no reason to believe Goku was utilizing all of his power against her. The problem with arguing that Kale is Blue tier is that it makes Blue look like a small boost considering how SSJ2 Goku wasn't outright mauled by her in her rage. And if Kale was certainly Blue tier to begin with, then Goku deciding to stay in an inferior form rather than going to Blue right away is yet another idiotic decision. It just doesn't add up to me.

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I actually came here to ask why the entire goddamn Internet seems to think SSJB Goku > Kale, and this is the first thread I saw. I think the 'net has it out for me today...

The problem with what you're saying is that the Kale scene exists to hype up Jiren. So the stronger Kale is, the more Jiren gets hyped. It would make more sense for Goku to be at full power against her so Jiren looks better when he takes her out. There's also the fact that Vegeta and even Toppo seemed on edge about her power, not to mention that Goku had enough time during the Kamehameha and Kale's chokehold to power up if he could.

If the scene existed in a vacuum, I'd probably agree with you, but it's pretty clear we're supposed to come away thinking "Oh shit, Jiren can one-shot someone stronger than a Super Saiyan Blue!".
 

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Right, Transgender Broly was completely a ripped off from M8 Broly's beat down to Goku. Retard fans shouldn't take this seriously. :facepalm
 

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The scene can work just fine if we assume Kale during her ki expulsion was stronger than before.
 

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This whole explanation wasn't needed honestly. The direct translation that Goku said when going into Blue was ''I'm gonna let out a little more power!'' instead of ''I'm gonna let out more power!'' which the crunchyroll subs mistakenly had. That's basically confirmation that Goku wasn't going at his best against Kale.

That being said, I still think Kale is way above SS2 Goku's league considering she tanked some of his hits and walked through a Suppressed SSB Goku Kamehameha. I'd probably put her a good deal above SS3 Goku.
 

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Future Warrior said:
This whole explanation wasn't needed honestly. The direct translation that Goku said when going into Blue was ''I'm gonna let out a little more power!'' instead of ''I'm gonna let out more power!'' which the crunchyroll subs mistakenly had. That's basically confirmation that Goku wasn't going at his best against Kale.

That being said, I still think Kale is way above SS2 Goku's league considering she tanked some of his hits and walked through a Suppressed SSB Goku Kamehameha. I'd probably put her a good deal above SS3 Goku.

That's even better.
 

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Future Warrior said:
This whole explanation wasn't needed honestly. The direct translation that Goku said when going into Blue was ''I'm gonna let out a little more power!'' instead of ''I'm gonna let out more power!'' which the crunchyroll subs mistakenly had. That's basically confirmation that Goku wasn't going at his best against Kale.

That being said, I still think Kale is way above SS2 Goku's league considering she tanked some of his hits and walked through a Suppressed SSB Goku Kamehameha. I'd probably put her a good deal above SS3 Goku.

By the way, do you have a source for that direct translation? Was it Herms?
 

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Pyro said:
Future Warrior said:
This whole explanation wasn't needed honestly. The direct translation that Goku said when going into Blue was ''I'm gonna let out a little more power!'' instead of ''I'm gonna let out more power!'' which the crunchyroll subs mistakenly had. That's basically confirmation that Goku wasn't going at his best against Kale.

That being said, I still think Kale is way above SS2 Goku's league considering she tanked some of his hits and walked through a Suppressed SSB Goku Kamehameha. I'd probably put her a good deal above SS3 Goku.

By the way, do you have a source for that direct translation? Was it Herms?

Goku: ''Chotto reki ireteikuzo!''

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Future Warrior said:
Pyro said:
Future Warrior said:
This whole explanation wasn't needed honestly. The direct translation that Goku said when going into Blue was ''I'm gonna let out a little more power!'' instead of ''I'm gonna let out more power!'' which the crunchyroll subs mistakenly had. That's basically confirmation that Goku wasn't going at his best against Kale.

That being said, I still think Kale is way above SS2 Goku's league considering she tanked some of his hits and walked through a Suppressed SSB Goku Kamehameha. I'd probably put her a good deal above SS3 Goku.

By the way, do you have a source for that direct translation? Was it Herms?

Goku: ''Chotto reki ireteikuzo!''

Chotto - A little bit
Chotto Mate (mate not mate)!
 

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I have the same reasoning as Neko Majin, since it doesn't make much sense for Galu to just let Kale whoop his ass if he could draw out enough power to oneshot her, though I agree the reasoning for SSB Goku > Kale is just as strong. There's a lot of doublethink the episode presents, though at the very least I'd say Berserker Kale should be above SSG Galu to offer any sort of relevance to the entirety of the Multiverses and as a way to hype up Jiren. It's also worth noting how Nuon said nobody could escape from his lasso, suggesting there's at least no criminal in U11 capable of doing so and that it may be a difficult task for even the Pride Troopers, aside from Jiren and Toppo, obviously.

The best thing regarding debating Kale's power seems to be to wait until the arc ends I guess.
 

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Let's see how transgender Broly affected the ratings this week. I wouldn't be surprised if he/she managed to bring more viewers.
 
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