Fat Boo vs. Goku was a lot closer than most people think

[Tapion]

This is my analysis of Goku vs. Fat Boo fight. Was the fight nearly as one-sided as most people claim it was?

1. Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 3(Chapter 279) in order to stall for Trunks to get the radar. He attacks Boo, and at first, he easily dominates the fight, being so fast Boo can barely see him:

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2. However, the next chapter title reveals that Fat Boo was merely toying around with Goku at that point in the fight. The next chapter title, in Japanese, is called Hajimeta Majin Bū no Shinka, which literally means "Majin Boo Begins to Show his True Worth" on English, heavily implying that Boo was only testing and toying with Goku beforehand.

Both Goku and Boo then proceed to engage in an even fight, with Boo taking Goku more seriously this time around:

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In the image above, Goku blasts Boo with a point-blank Kamehameha and perfurates his stomach. However, Boo regenerates immediately.
mself and wants more. The fight itself proves both Goku and Fat Boo are rivals, with the gap not being anywhere near as large as most people say. I've seen people saying Goku was 33-50% stronger than Fat Boo, which is outright lying considering what the fight tells us.

Later, Goku says he could've defeated Fat Boo - this doesn't mean Goku is much stronger than Boo, it only means that Goku is powerful enough to create a blast which could've engulfed Boo and prevented him from regenerating. With this new analysis, i stand by those gaps:

Kid Boo - 150,000
SSJ3 Goku - 150,000
Fat Boo - 140,000

 

[Fantastische Hure]

KP also made a good post on the fight and I agree. Majin Boo didn't look close to dying or even trying. I think they both probably held-back somewhat, if only for not trying all that hard.

 

[Tapion]

KP also made a good post on the fight and I agree. Majin Boo didn't look close to dying or even trying. I think they both probably held-back somewhat, if only for not trying all that hard.

Do you have the link of his post? Every thread where KP participates is an entertaining read for me.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

KP also made a good post on the fight and I agree. Majin Boo didn't look close to dying or even trying. I think they both probably held-back somewhat, if only for not trying all that hard.

Do you have the link of his post? Every thread where KP participates is an entertaining read for me.

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8923565&t=8441082

With your permission of-course hopefully, @Kamikaze Pyro.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, they were distant rivals based on that fight, but Goku wasn't going all out as noted by Piccolo. I'd say all out Goku still has sizeable advantage over Fat Boo.

All out SSJ3 Goku 110
SSJ3 Goku (vs fat boo) 100
Fat Boo 90

Something like this.

But yeah, Fat Boo is more of a "low tier SSJ3" than a "high tier SSJ2".

 

[Tapion]

Boo was also toying around a bit with Goku, as proven by the chapter title, which says Boo is still in the process of showing his full power in the second fight.

I think it goes like this:

Goku(shown power) - 120,000
Fat Boo(not taking Goku seriously) - 90,000
Fat Boo(taking Goku more seriously) - 120,000
Goku(Unseen FP) - 150,000
Fat Boo(Unseen FP) - 140,000

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think a fight between their full-powers might look like Gotenks vs Super-Boo toward the end. Goku has a clear advantage, but not as big that he could rick-roll him.

 

[Pyro]

Great post, OP. The images aren't showing up, but just know I agree with you.

I think the problem is the Super Saiyan multipliers and the meter on Boo's egg. Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 energy filled up about 40% of it if I recall, so people automatically equate that to mean Fat Boo is around 2.5x stronger than Gohan, which does make some sense. Then Goku is 4x stronger as a Super Saiyan 3 than he was as a Super Saiyan 2, and he was already noticeably stronger than Gohan, so add that together and he ends up being more than 2x stronger than Fat Boo...which is downright retarded IMHO. "Oh, but Boo's bio-makeup, Goku was holding back a lot," blah blah, that doesn't really take into account Boo's side of the fight.

 

[Tapion]

Images aren't showing up? Strange. I'll fix that in a moment.

 

[Animelover5487]

I don't think they have to be that close. Goku said he could have eventually won and Boo has regeneration and infinite stamina so even with a signficant gap he can still put up a fight.

 

[Tapion]

I fixed the images. They should appear now. I believe the reason they didn't show up at first was because the original source had blocked the american ip, but since i'm brazilian i can see the pics.

Animelover, Boo's regeneration and stamina wouldn't be any problem to an opponent who can engulf him with a ki blast like a FP Kamehameha. 140 vs 150 works because:
1. Fat Boo is implied in the manga to have never used his full power against anyone, the closest to that being Goku of course.
2. Piccolo also states Goku didn't go all-out against Boo. Therefore, both Boo and Goku were toying around with each other. I think both of them were using ~70-75% of their power.
3. Kid Boo and Goku both rivaled each other, and yet Boo's regeneration and stamina didn't make any difference in the fight until Goku ran out of the power necessary to maintain SSJ3. So Boo having regeneration wouldn't magically make him fight evenly with SSJ3 Goku. If Goku was significantly above Fat Boo, the fight would stay like what it was originally, with Goku kicking Boo's ass. However, once Boo actually started taking the fight seriously, he began to exchange blows evenly with Goku.

The only thing that keeps a Full-Power Fat Boo from being stronger than SSJ3 Goku is the fact that he is stated to be slightly weaker than Kid Boo on Daizenshuu 2, and also the fact that East Kaioshin stated Kid Boo became weaker when he absorbed Grand Kaioshin, though that might've been Initial Fatty.

 

[Pyro]

Regeneration keeps someone in the fight longer, but it doesn't help them actually fight back, which Boo was actively able to do against Goku. Gotenks whooped Boo's ass, Vegetto whooped Boo's ass, and Gogeta whooped SYXL's ass; all of those villains had regeneration but couldn't fight back to save their lives.

 

[ahill1]

It's not suggested Fat Boo held back against Goku, just his facial expression, which isn't always an indicative of holding back. I think it goes like this, Goku SSJ3 (all out) > Goku SSJ3 (Fat Boo) >= Fat Boo

 

[Tapion]

The title of the chapter where they fight highly suggests what Boo used against Goku wasn't his full power.

The viz title is: 'A Glimpse of Boo's Power"
And the lit. title is: "Boo Begins to Show his True Worth"

 

[sei'taer]

I'm of the camp that if goku believed he could kill fat buu even at the end of the saga when the extent of buu's regeneration was known, then there's a sizable difference at full power. There's also buu not being able to be sensed from the kaioshin realm prior to being super buu when SSJ3 goku was.

The fight itself doesn't really tell us anything, as they barely fight and neither seems to take it seriously. I mean even with buu supposedly showing more of his true power, goku still shrugs his punch off and bats a kamehameha away physically.

there's doesn't have to be this massive gap in power, but I wouldn't call them rivals.

 

[ahill1]

"A glimpse of Boo's power" doesn't have to mean he just showed some part of his power or something like this, it could mean Boo showing his true power (vs ssj3 goku) didn't last too long, or was only by small portion of time, hence "a glimpse" of his power. Isn't this interpretation valid?

 

[Tapion]

I'm of the camp that if goku believed he could kill fat buu even at the end of the saga when the extent of buu's regeneration was known, then there's a sizable difference at full power. There's also buu not being able to be sensed from the kaioshin realm prior to being super buu when SSJ3 goku was.

The fight itself doesn't really tell us anything, as they barely fight and neither seems to take it seriously. I mean even with buu supposedly showing more of his true power, goku still shrugs his punch off and bats a kamehameha away physically.

there's doesn't have to be this massive gap in power, but I wouldn't call them rivals.

Goku never shrugs of a punch from Boo after the latter starts using more power, not even once. Goku deflecting a Kamehameha from Boo doesn't mean much, because Boo could do the same thing to Goku's KKH.

The fight shows Boo stalemating and equaling every punch from Goku, not to mention Goku is legitimately worried about Boo's attacks this time around, whereas he was smiling when he shrugged off that punch earlier in the fight.

"A glimpse of Boo's power" doesn't have to mean he just showed some part of his power or something like this, it could mean Boo showing his true power (vs ssj3 goku) didn't last too long, or was only by small portion of time, hence "a glimpse" of his power. Isn't this interpretation valid?

Anyway, the original title of the chapter tells us Boo is still in the process of showing his FP, which means what Boo had used against Goku was still not his full-power.

"Glimpse" also means a "very quick idea" according to the Camb. Dictionary. Therefore, the interpretation that Boo was only giving Goku a slight idea of his power is also valid.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, but it means Boo didn't show his true power until that chapter. There's nothing wrong with Boo showing his true power in the second part of their fight.

 

[Tapion]

Yeah, but it means Boo didn't show his true power until that chapter. There's nothing wrong with Boo showing his true power in the second part of their fight.

Not really.
"Boo Begins to Show his True Worth" the underlined portion tells us that Boo was still in process of showing his full power. As the fight went on, Boo began to show more and more power. At first, both Goku and Boo undergo a stalemate, until Boo slowly lets on more of his power against the Saiyan - nearing the end of the fight, Goku actually almost panicks a little.

Our interpretations are quite a bit different, so i suggest we should just rock with them, since there are several evidences for both interpretations.

 

[sei'taer]

Goku panics because of the size of the blast he deflects onto the earth.

If he was actually panicking about the blast he certainly wouldn't have been able to knock it away with his bare hands.