Gap between Goku and Gohan @ Cell Games

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The gap between them is evidently sizable, but just how big is it? Usually I tend to go with a 1.5x gap, but according to the statements in the Boo arc, it could be even larger.

First of all, when Gohan turns into a SSj2 at the Budokai, Vegeta states this:

Vegeta: “…Hmph…That bastard, he was far, far better when he killed Cell. It’s because he slacked off in his training during peacetime…”

So Cell Games Gohan >> Boo arc Gohan

Some time later, we see Dabra, and when asked about his power, Goku compares him to Cell.

Goku: “Yeah…Well, even if that wasn’t him at full force…I think that before he would have been a frightening opponent, but…7 years ago there was a guy called ‘Cell’…[Dabra]’s probably about as strong as him…”

For the sake of the topic, let's assume that Gohan was a SSj vs Dabra, and that the Cell Goku was comparing Dabra to was the powered up variant he fought.

Dabra ~ Cell (vs. Goku)

However, when Gohan actually start fighting, Goku states:

Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P6.1-2
Context: as Dabra fights Gohan
Goku: “Magic, huh? He’s way stronger than I thought, ain’t he?”

One could argue that Goku was referring to Dabra's abilities, but in that case I think Goku would've used the word tough instead. What seems to be implied is:

Cell Games Gohan >> Boo arc Gohan ~ Dabra >> Dabra (Initial) ~ Cell (vs. Goku) > Cell Games Goku

There are other implications that could possibly make the chain bigger. What do you guys think of the chain above? What do you have the gap at?
 

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Why is it >> between Dabra's initial and his "tougher than we thought" self?
 

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I like this. I've never gone with it simply due to disliking making Gohan a whopping 2x stronger than Goku at the Cell Games, which seems weird when looking at the amount of power/speed Cell used against Gohan and Goku, but it also wouldn't hurt when you look at Gohan potentially being 2x stronger than Vegeta/Trunks anyway.

CG Goku - 100
CG Gohan - 200

Cell that fought Goku is noticeably ahead during the peak of their interaction.

CG Goku - 100
Cell - 110

This same Cell is comparable to a deadbeat Dabura.

Cell - 110
Dabura - 110

Later on Dabura is said to be much stronger with his magic, and a stated weaker-than-he-was-as-a-kid-Gohan is a match for this guy.

Cell - 110
Dabura - 125
Gohan - 130 [Gohan has the edge in power IMO]

Gohan at this strength is 65% of his power as a child if he was 200 back then. That's normally around where I put him anyway, so I'm OK with this even if it's a new bloat to get used to.
 

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Nice post.


One could argue that Goku was referring to Dabra's abilities, but in that case I think Goku would've used the word tough instead.
I honestly think this is a fair argument because Goku feels the need to mention the magic. This is what Goku says in Viz:

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Goku actually uses tougher here, and I think this corresponds with Dabra seemingly having full energy after the fight, whereas Gohan needs a senzu bean to be able to challenge him again. Dabra seems tougher due to being a Majin.
 

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What's the Viz equivalent of this:

Goku: “Yeah…Well, even if that wasn’t him at full force…I think that before he would have been a frightening opponent, but…7 years ago there was a guy called ‘Cell’…[Dabra]’s probably about as strong as him…”
 

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If Curt doesn't get to it I'll go check it in a few minutes when I get home.
 

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1.2x-1.4x at best. Gohan is strong but he doesn't have to be on different league compare to Goku.
 

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Kyo said:
What's the Viz equivalent of this:

Goku: “Yeah…Well, even if that wasn’t him at full force…I think that before he would have been a frightening opponent, but…7 years ago there was a guy called ‘Cell’…[Dabra]’s probably about as strong as him…”
Goku: "...Yeah. At the level we are now, anyway. He would've been bad news before, though. There was a guy named Cell seven years ago... I guess they're about the same."
 

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Herms seems to imply Goku knows Dabra was holding back there.
 

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Thanks brother.

Sounds unsure in both. More so in Herms, but maybe it just seems that way since he mentions Dabra potentially not going all out before giving a prediction. Which is how I usually take the line--a prediction that arguably never came true.
 

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He sounds less unsure in Viz, and less assuming of Dabura holding back. Seems innocent enough.
 

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SuperSaiyan2 said:
Goku actually uses tougher here, and I think this corresponds with Dabra seemingly having full energy after the fight, whereas Gohan needs a senzu bean to be able to challenge him again. Dabra seems tougher due to being a Majin.

Good point about him being a Majin. I still think Dabra when he fought Gohan is stronger than Goku's expectations, but it's possible that it could also be referring to Dabra's abilities in general.
 

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It's tough to have a huge gap between Goku and Gohan considering Cell seemingly only increased his speed against the latter. Unless you got Cell (vs goku) >>> Goku.
 

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He increased his power too.
 

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I personally think he increased his power after Gohan kicked him in the face.
 

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He raised his speed, what is there to prove?
 

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Yeah, he raised his speed. Why does his power go up?
 

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Simple physics. Why would his attacks do less damage at a higher speed? Why would he pull his punches?
 
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