Gap between Kami and 23rd Goku

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How big do you see the gap between these two? Also do you think Kami would have actually tipped the scales in Goku's favour if he joined the fight against Piccolo? In his Shen form, he was already outclassed by initial Piccolo, and I don't see why he'd be that much stronger that he could actually help Goku fight his full power...
 

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Really, really big. I have it as a 3.75x myself, but it can be even higher.

Goku without his limbs put Piccolo on the verge of death. This same Piccolo was about to take on Kami and everyone else, and by his confidence it seems like he would do so without breaking a sweat.

If Kami joined Goku they would definitely take Piccolo down though. He blocked Piccolo's punch.
 

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Kami can be 60% of Goku. No need for Piccolo or Goku to be over him more than that.
 

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Wasn't Kami unable to track the fight?
 

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Kami was unable to track the fight, but considering the Ginyus were also unable to track Goku's movements when this latter was using a battle power of around 60k, I don't think it necessarily denotes a gap bigger than that (i.e, bigger than a 60/100 ratio).

But I'd still go with a 40/100 ~ 50/100 ratio or so, considering Piccolo had already stated he was considerably above Kami-Sama by stating Goku is far more of a threat than Kami, who had slacked off. So, by that comment, Piccolo being >> Kami-sama was already made clear, yet the Z warriors seemed rather surprised with the prospect of the initial scuffle between Goku and Piccolo being just their warm up, which all in all would imply that the initial level they were using is already enough to swiftly outclass Kami-Sama, I'd say.

Kami-Sama : 40
Piccolo/Goku (initially) : 60
Piccolo/Goku (full power) : 80 ~ 100

There's also Goku, upon giving Piccolo the freebie to punch him, stating Piccolo's punches aren't half what it used to be. Whilst you could argue the "half" was just a hyperbole, it should at least imply Piccolo has weakened considerably by then. And then, even upon wasting a lot of energy using the Bakurikki Maha, to which Goku could swiftly outclass him to the point Piccolo couldn't even defend himself and even after weakening himself considerably even more than that (after suffering that beatdown by Goku's hands), it's suggested Piccolo is still on a different tier from Kami, as Kami would rather order Tenshinhan to kill himself than to attempt anything against Piccolo.

Piccolo (full power) >> Piccolo ("punches aren't the same they used to be") >> Piccolo (post special attack) >> Piccolo (post Goku's beatdown) >> Kami-Sama

So, no matter how you slice it, the gap is huge, and I think even a Goku-Ginyu gap isn't doing justice here due to all those "breakdown powers". A 40/100 gap works fine here to me so I can fit all those suggested weakened powers more smoothly.
 

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SSJ2 said:
Wasn't Kami unable to track the fight?

Kui couldn't see Vegeta either.

@Ahill were would you have Half Dead Piccolo and Crippled Goku?
 

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Piccolo
-max: 100
-out of breath: 90
-post arm regen: 80
-post ultimate attack: 60
-post more beating: 50

Kami: 40
 

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Then the difference is very big. I have this now:

Goku (Initial against Piccolo) = 40
(FP) = 100.8
(Weakened) = 42.27858432


Piccolo (Initial against Goku) = 40
(FP) = 100
(Weakened) = 41.94304
(Post Chōbakuretsumaha) = 32.768
(Post hits from Goku) = 25

Shen = 18
Kamisama = 20.16.
 

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Even without the inconsistent example of them all saying only goku can track piccolo's movements and kami doing just that and blocking a punch, it's implied by both piccolo and kami that piccolo > kami + everyone else.

It's even implied this at the very end of the fight after piccolo spends most of his chi. That implies a large gap to me.
 

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GreatSaiyaman123 said:
SSJ2 said:
Wasn't Kami unable to track the fight?

Kui couldn't see Vegeta either.

@Ahill were would you have Half Dead Piccolo and Crippled Goku?
It's tough to say, honestly. Looking at their state, one would imagine they'd be as irrelevant as possible, right? Piccolo could barely keep his eyes open whereas Goku could barely even stand up after the fight. In the anime Goku could barely even see Piccolo due to him losing blood constantly. Yet it was implied Goku in that state could do more to Piccolo than Kami. It's huuuge.
 
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