Gap between Pre Merge Piccolo and Pre Rosat Trunks?

[GSM123]

So it's well known that albeit on the same league, Piccolo falls behind compared to the Super Saiyans. But how big is the gap between Piccolo and the weakest Super Saiyan?

 

[Victorious]

I've got him 88% of Future Trunks. Same difference between Kaioken x2 Goku and Vegeta in the Saiyan arc.

 

[ahill1]

I have got Piccolo at 83% of Trunks SSJ. Piccolo at 250,000,000 and SSJ Trunks at 300,000,000.

 

[Six Trails]

1.2x gap in Trunks' favor. I think the gap between Piccolo and Trunks should be greater than the gap between Trunks and Vegeta.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Piccolo wasn't considered to be on the same level as the Super Saiyans, so I agree with Mike that the gap between him and Trunks should be bigger than the one between Trunks and Vegeta.

 

[sei'taer]

The SSJ's aren't considered all that different from one another. So the gap between piccolo and trunks better be greater than the one between trunks and vegeta.

 

[Victorious]

The gap between Piccolo and Future Trunks is bigger than Future Trunks and Vegeta IMO. But I would say it's only just bigger. Tenshinhan lumped Piccolo in with Super Saiyan Vegeta as being extraordinarily powerful.

It's suggested that Kamiccolo's gap on SSJ Vegeta is much larger than SSJ Vegeta's gap on Piccolo. No one ever lumps the Super Saiyans with Kamiccolo.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Something like that...
Piccolo- 8
Trunks- 9
Goku/Getes- 10

 

[Pyro]

It's a huge gap. 30% or more.

 

[p123]

It doesn't have to be all that huge. This is nearly the same exact scenario as Cell/Piccolo and Androids. Sure, Cell doesn't rival the Androids, but he definitely is rivaling someone who rivals them. I think these are near duplicates of each other.

The tightness of the gaps of 19/20 with Piccolo and the Super Saiyans makes things extremely difficult to make any of this work. I always felt by the way it felt and looked, it could be like this...

Vegeta 100
Goku 96
Trunks 88
Piccolo 75

Or something around there. But if you do that, then 19/20 end up impossibly low. Which isn't realistic. Honestly the 19 Pre to Super Saiyan Vegeta gap is one of the hardest chains to master in all of the series. I'll show you what I have for now and let's see if we can improve upon it. I'm willing to get creative here because it is the hardest in the series, but if we put our minds together perhaps we can get something good.


Super Saiyan Vegeta 1,250,000
Super Saiyan Goku 1,200,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 1,100,000
Piccolo 1,000,000
20 Post 850,000
Sick Goku 750,000
19 Post 700,000
Sicker Goku 600,000
20 Pre 550,000
19 Pre 500,000

 

[Victorious]

I've not seen any real proof of 20 post being above 19 post. Much less way above. Personally I have them both starting out as equals and have 19 post slightly ahead of 20 post. But anyway I don't see how judging by their fights the Vegeta > 19 post gap is that much bigger than the Piccolo > 20 post gap. Piccolo completely manhandled Gero, it's a big gap. Under 80% IMO

 

[p123]

No way. Vegeta absolutely trashes 19. Piccolo dominates Gero as well, but the concussive force being displayed is not the same level as Goku vs 19 Pre.

Are you saying that Sick Goku/19 Post and 20 Post probably should all be right around the same level?

 

[GSM123]

@Vic, drained Vegeta bested 19 but admited to be hopeless against 20. Both Vegeta and Piccolo were also impressed by 20's strength and speed, with Piccolo wondering if 20 was or not one of the expected Androids, whereas Vegeta instantly dismissed 19 being as strong as the expectatives.

 

[p123]

Good points.

The 19 vs Vegeta finish doesn't make much sense.

If 19 is able to absorb that much power from Vegeta, shouldn't he be much stronger than Vegeta and 20? Does the removal of his forearms mean that he doesn't have that power anymore? Vegeta likely didn't lose a lot of power from that Big Bang Attack either. I don't really understand the sequence and I think numerically, it's probably impossible. Sure you can say absorbed energy isn't merely additive, but still. It's very complex.

That's a good piece of evidence though, Drained Vegeta easily destroyed 19 Post and couldn't beat 20 Pre.

Hmmm...

 

[Victorious]

No way. Vegeta absolutely trashes 19. Piccolo dominates Gero as well, but the concussive force being displayed is not the same level as Goku vs 19 Pre.

Are you saying that Sick Goku/19 Post and 20 Post probably should all be right around the same level?

Yeah, I think sick Goku is the weakest of that bunch. Anyway my point is 19 post is closer to 20 post than Piccolo is to Vegeta. The difference between Vegeta and Piccolo is probably 20-25% while I can't see 19 post and 20 post more than 10% difference.

 

[Victorious]

@Vic, drained Vegeta bested 19 but admited to be hopeless against 20. Both Vegeta and Piccolo were also impressed by 20's strength and speed, with Piccolo wondering if 20 was or not one of the expected Androids, whereas Vegeta instantly dismissed 19 being as strong as the expectatives.

That was after Vegeta.trashed 19. 19 loses power when he gets beat up, unlike 17, 18 and 16. Not to mention Vegeta would also lose power after the Big Bang attack.

 

[p123]

Show me numerically...

 

[Victorious]

SSJ Vegeta : 100
Piccolo : 80
#19 post : 70
#20 post : 62

#19 post is 70% of Vegeta, #20 post is 77% of Piccolo.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta likely did lose power from the Big Bang Attack, but the majority of the power loss came from the androids' absorptions, as implied by Piccolo. The BBA just drained Vegeta somewhat, probably.

I do agree though that #19 wasn't all that powerful anymore due to being beaten around like a ragdoll by Vegeta. #20 had stated that #19 would run out of energy if Goku kept his beating so it's not a stretch to think something like this happened when Vegeta was beating up #19.

 

[p123]

Well I know you are stubborn on this part, but pretty much everyone agrees that 20 Post > 19 Post.

19 Post- The rumors weren't true.
20 Post- The rumors might be true.


It's easy to put into words, but let's see it put into numbers people. Show me drained Vegeta, drained post BBA Vegeta, wrecked 19, wrecked 19 Post Vegeta Absorption.