Giant Slug vs. 2nd Form Freeza(@ Enraged Gohan)

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Who wins? I'm preparing a good write-up on why Giant Slug is weaker than FP 2nd Form Freeza, but i think he might win aganst Freeza(vs. Enraged Gohan)

 

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I can see 2 arguments for this, both with Lord Slug winning.

One is Super-Namekian Lord Slug is a counter-part to Piccolo being called a Super-Namekian after fusing with Nail, so he could be on-par. In that case he wins easily, since Piccolo's full-power is higher than full-power 2nd Form Freeza.

Other is that Lord Slug is higher than 3rd Form Freeza, in which case he one-shots.

 

[Void]

Doesn't Goku use a Kaio Ken x100 to punch through Slug?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He does.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Slug one shots. In both the manga and the anime, Freeza had made the statement that he has two more transformations after his second form, yet the statement that Slug was stronger than Freeza was still in place. Whether that is Initial Freeza or 50% Freeza is anyone's guess, but the answer remains the same.

 

[Tapion]

Slug one shots. In both the manga and the anime, Freeza had made the statement that he has two more transformations after his second form, yet the statement that Slug was stronger than Freeza was still in place. Whether that is Initial Freeza or 50% Freeza is anyone's guess, but the answer remains the same.

Except the movie was released before 2nd Form Freeza even went FP in the anime, and likely produced and animated around the episode where Freeza transforms for the first time. So Giant Slug > Initial 2nd Form Freeza, but thats about it.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Slug one shots. In both the manga and the anime, Freeza had made the statement that he has two more transformations after his second form, yet the statement that Slug was stronger than Freeza was still in place. Whether that is Initial Freeza or 50% Freeza is anyone's guess, but the answer remains the same.

Except the movie was released before 2nd Form Freeza even went FP in the anime, and likely produced and animated around the episode where Freeza transforms for the first time. So Giant Slug > Initial 2nd Form Freeza, but thats about it.

Lord Slug being a counter-part to Piccolo (post-Fusion)'d proof that wrong, or something-else.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Slug one shots. In both the manga and the anime, Freeza had made the statement that he has two more transformations after his second form, yet the statement that Slug was stronger than Freeza was still in place. Whether that is Initial Freeza or 50% Freeza is anyone's guess, but the answer remains the same.

Except the movie was released before 2nd Form Freeza even went FP in the anime, and likely produced and animated around the episode where Freeza transforms for the first time. So Giant Slug > Initial 2nd Form Freeza, but thats about it.

According to the movie release dates thread, the movie was released after Freeza transformed into his third form in the anime, which is when he made the statement about having two more transformations.

 

[Void]

Yeah, Slug wins this.

 

[Tapion]

Slug one shots. In both the manga and the anime, Freeza had made the statement that he has two more transformations after his second form, yet the statement that Slug was stronger than Freeza was still in place. Whether that is Initial Freeza or 50% Freeza is anyone's guess, but the answer remains the same.

Except the movie was released before 2nd Form Freeza even went FP in the anime, and likely produced and animated around the episode where Freeza transforms for the first time. So Giant Slug > Initial 2nd Form Freeza, but thats about it.

According to the movie release dates thread, the movie was released after Freeza transformed into his third form in the anime, which is when he made the statement about having two more transformations.

Wikipedia:

Dragon Ball Z: Lord Slug, also known by its Japanese title Dragon Ball Z - Super Saiyan Son Goku (Japanese: ドラゴンボールZ 超 スーパーサイヤ人だ孫悟空 Hepburn: Doragon Bōru Zetto Sūpā Saiyajin da Son Gokū?) is the fourth Dragon Ball Z feature movie. It was originally released in Japan on March 9, 1991

The latest episode to the date was the episode "Piccolo - The Super Namek" where Piccolo appears in the battlefield to battle Freeza. However, Freeza only uses his FP on the next episode, "Déja vu", which was released a few days after the movie's release.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

@HUEBR_Tapion That's weird. I guess it is a mistake in that thread, because Kanzenshuu also says it was released on March 9th. I still think they would've known about that statement though, especially since the episode where Freeza says it aired only a few short days afterward.

 

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@ryan1227 They know about the statement, but it is not included in the movie timeline because it had not been presented on the anime yet. That's why Gotenks doesn't appear as a SSJ3 on Movie 12, or why Goku doesn't use SSJ2 against Broly on Movie 10.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

@ryan1227 They know about the statement, but it is not included in the movie timeline because it had not been presented on the anime yet. That's why Gotenks doesn't appear as a SSJ3 on Movie 12, or why Goku doesn't use SSJ2 against Broly on Movie 10.

Didn't they still show Gotenks' ghosts in Movie 12 despite them not having shown up yet in the anime?

 

[Tapion]

@ryan1227 They know about the statement, but it is not included in the movie timeline because it had not been presented on the anime yet. That's why Gotenks doesn't appear as a SSJ3 on Movie 12, or why Goku doesn't use SSJ2 against Broly on Movie 10.

Didn't they still show Gotenks' ghosts in Movie 12 despite them not having shown up yet in the anime?

Actually, Gotenks's Kamikaze Ghosts had already been shown in the anime by the time the movie came out.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

@ryan1227 They know about the statement, but it is not included in the movie timeline because it had not been presented on the anime yet. That's why Gotenks doesn't appear as a SSJ3 on Movie 12, or why Goku doesn't use SSJ2 against Broly on Movie 10.

Didn't they still show Gotenks' ghosts in Movie 12 despite them not having shown up yet in the anime?

Actually, Gotenks's Kamikaze Ghosts had already been shown in the anime by the time the movie came out.

True, but what they did was only shown in episode 259, after the movie was already released.

 

[Tapion]

Didn't they still show Gotenks' ghosts in Movie 12 despite them not having shown up yet in the anime?

Actually, Gotenks's Kamikaze Ghosts had already been shown in the anime by the time the movie came out.

True, but what they did was only shown in episode 259, after the movie was already released.

Episode 258 ends with Gotenks doing the Kamikaze Ghosts, so it still counts imho.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Actually, Gotenks's Kamikaze Ghosts had already been shown in the anime by the time the movie came out.

True, but what they did was only shown in episode 259, after the movie was already released.

Episode 258 ends with Gotenks doing the Kamikaze Ghosts, so it still counts imho.

It still shows that they can use things in the movies without explicitly showing them in the anime first. Another example of this is in Movie 3, when Goku uses Kaioken x10 against Tullece, despite the fact that the statement that Goku could use the Kaioken x10 hadn't yet appeared in the anime.

 

[Tapion]

True, but what they did was only shown in episode 259, after the movie was already released.

Episode 258 ends with Gotenks doing the Kamikaze Ghosts, so it still counts imho.

It still shows that they can use things in the movies without explicitly showing them in the anime first. Another example of this is in Movie 3, when Goku uses Kaioken x10 against Tullece, despite the fact that the statement that Goku could use the Kaioken x10 hadn't yet appeared in the anime.

BUMP
Yeah, but Kaioken is a different matter. It is a technique that had already been shown in the anime several times, so Goku using it on Movie 3 before it was shown on the anime doesn't conflict with my argument, because the technique itself(Kaioken x10) had already been shown in the anime before.

 

[Tapion]

True, but what they did was only shown in episode 259, after the movie was already released.

Episode 258 ends with Gotenks doing the Kamikaze Ghosts, so it still counts imho.

It still shows that they can use things in the movies without explicitly showing them in the anime first. Another example of this is in Movie 3, when Goku uses Kaioken x10 against Tullece, despite the fact that the statement that Goku could use the Kaioken x10 hadn't yet appeared in the anime.

BUMP
Yeah, but Kaioken is a different matter. It is a technique that had already been shown in the anime several times, so Goku using it on Movie 3 before it was shown on the anime doesn't conflict with my argument, because the technique itself(Kaioken) had already been shown in the anime before. So my theory still stands.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Episode 258 ends with Gotenks doing the Kamikaze Ghosts, so it still counts imho.

It still shows that they can use things in the movies without explicitly showing them in the anime first. Another example of this is in Movie 3, when Goku uses Kaioken x10 against Tullece, despite the fact that the statement that Goku could use the Kaioken x10 hadn't yet appeared in the anime.

BUMP
Yeah, but Kaioken is a different matter. It is a technique that had already been shown in the anime several times, so Goku using it on Movie 3 before it was shown on the anime doesn't conflict with my argument, because the technique itself(Kaioken) had already been shown in the anime before. So my theory still stands.

I don't see why it is that different. I imagine anime only viewers would be rather confused if they saw against Vegeta that Goku had trouble withstanding a Kaioken x3, yet against Tullece he withstands a Kaioken x10, but evidently TOEI didn't really care. In fact, the entirety of Movie 3 seems to not care about what had been shown in the anime. Gohan is at 10,000 despite the fact he had not been shown getting his potential unlocked at that point, Piccolo is at 18,000 for some strange reason, and Goku is at 30,000. It really doesn't match up well to any saga. While it is true that TOEI sometimes withholds things that haven't been shown in the anime at that point (such as Gohan being the weakest in M8, despite being the strongest in the Cell Games) it doesn't have to apply to every movie.