Giant Slug vs. 2nd Form Freeza(@ Enraged Gohan)

[Tapion]

It still shows that they can use things in the movies without explicitly showing them in the anime first. Another example of this is in Movie 3, when Goku uses Kaioken x10 against Tullece, despite the fact that the statement that Goku could use the Kaioken x10 hadn't yet appeared in the anime.

BUMP
Yeah, but Kaioken is a different matter. It is a technique that had already been shown in the anime several times, so Goku using it on Movie 3 before it was shown on the anime doesn't conflict with my argument, because the technique itself(Kaioken) had already been shown in the anime before. So my theory still stands.

I don't see why it is that different. I imagine anime only viewers would be rather confused if they saw against Vegeta that Goku had trouble withstanding a Kaioken x3, yet against Tullece he withstands a Kaioken x10, but evidently TOEI didn't really care. In fact, the entirety of Movie 3 seems to not care about what had been shown in the anime. Gohan is at 10,000 despite the fact he had not been shown getting his potential unlocked at that point, Piccolo is at 18,000 for some strange reason, and Goku is at 30,000. It really doesn't match up well to any saga. While it is true that TOEI sometimes withholds things that haven't been shown in the anime at that point (such as Gohan being the weakest in M8, despite being the strongest in the Cell Games) it doesn't have to apply to every movie.

It's because the technique, Kaioken, had already been presented in the anime, whereas the Freeza statement wasn't. I agree Toei fucks up a lot of stuff, and i think this is an undebatable subject to be honest.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

BUMP
Yeah, but Kaioken is a different matter. It is a technique that had already been shown in the anime several times, so Goku using it on Movie 3 before it was shown on the anime doesn't conflict with my argument, because the technique itself(Kaioken) had already been shown in the anime before. So my theory still stands.

I don't see why it is that different. I imagine anime only viewers would be rather confused if they saw against Vegeta that Goku had trouble withstanding a Kaioken x3, yet against Tullece he withstands a Kaioken x10, but evidently TOEI didn't really care. In fact, the entirety of Movie 3 seems to not care about what had been shown in the anime. Gohan is at 10,000 despite the fact he had not been shown getting his potential unlocked at that point, Piccolo is at 18,000 for some strange reason, and Goku is at 30,000. It really doesn't match up well to any saga. While it is true that TOEI sometimes withholds things that haven't been shown in the anime at that point (such as Gohan being the weakest in M8, despite being the strongest in the Cell Games) it doesn't have to apply to every movie.

It's because the technique, Kaioken, had already been presented in the anime, whereas the Freeza statement wasn't. I agree Toei fucks up a lot of stuff, and i think this is an undebatable subject to be honest.

Yeah, I agree. I tend to flip flop my views on the movies quite a bit. The only way we could know the exact answers is if we could see what was going on in TOEI's mind when they made the movies. (And even then, we still might not )

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

To me, what matters is that Kaio-Sama thought he was stronger than Frieza. To me, that means full power Frieza, regardless of when the episodes were released. When those episodes were released, what Kaio-Sama meant changed, but he still said Slug was stronger than Frieza. So Slug takes this easily even in his base form.