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This doesn't make sense. Kai doesn't apply to the manga. In the manga, Vegeta was barely 30,000.
Android 20 implies he's stronger than 19, and Daizenshuu 7 confirms this.
Vegeta and Trunks heavily imply Cell is stronger than the Super Saiyans but still weaker than the androids.
Cell tanked Piccolo's strongest attack that even Android 17, who had a barrier, didn't want to risk blocking. No way it's a tiny difference like this.
Vegeta used regular Super Saiyan in the Cell Games manga version.
They had 10 days to train. The plot didn't necessitate any significant growth and they didn't display any new feats or statements, so this is really unnecessary.
The kids without Super Saiyan were able to fight well against Android 18. With suppressed Super Saiyan power, Trunks made 18 so scared she disqualified them instead of trying to keep fighting. They shouldn't be weaker than her, let alone this much weaker.
Why is Fat Boo 15.27x weaker than SSJ3 Goku? Their fight didn't indicate that at all.
Vegeta didn't have this against Boo. He didn't do anything against Boo in the manga. You're probably thinking of the anime filler.
This is completely made up, man.
Whis stated Hit's Time Skip only works on those near or around his power level. Vegeta was at less than 10% full power and it worked on him, so he would have to be near SSJ Goku's power. But here you have him over 8,400x stronger. That just doesn't cut it, mate.
This didn't happen in the manga. He was regular Toppo. There was nothing godly about him.
Freeza said in the novelization that SSJ Broly was the strongest, so he would have to be stronger than Jiren.
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Wheres GT
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The Hakaishin do note Goku and Toppo are approaching their level when Goku goes SSJG and Toppo powers up iirc, and it’s not a power level thing since they’re still fodder.
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So god ki. Still not a godly aura, whatever that means.
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Don't worry I fixed it to 30,500 instead of 37,500
Android 19: 30,000,000
Android 20: 40,000,000
Android 19 (Kamehameha Absorbed): 90,000,000
Android 20 (Piccolo's Energy): 105,000,000
Well considering piccolo was tired from fighting android 17 before he launched his strongest attack I'd say cell more than has the advantage
don't worry I fixed it.
their humans their power levels are too small compared to the saiyans, androids, piccolo, and cell
yet 18 was still fighting them regardless also she has unlimited energy so as long as their not completely out of reach in terms of power she can exhaust them.
buu was only able to keep up with goku because of his limitless stamina, regeneration and his own gift for battle ssj3 goku even complimented fat buu on that at the end of their fight
but isn't the anime based off the manga though
do you remember what merus said when he was describing the grand supreme kai when kid buu absorbed him he also absorbed his godly power so kid buu had raw god power in him
because super saiyan blue is an immense god power far beyond regular super saiyan at most its above ssj3 level of power
I already removed aura of a god from there
frieza is frieza don't believe anything he says he's pure evil (FPLSSJ) Broly is a 11.2 which is inferior to jiren (SFP) of 12.1
but when goku first saw the hakaishin's fought he couldn't keep up with their movements and approaching their levels could mean anything like 1% approaching
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Piccolo only started getting tired moments before Cell showed up. It still doesn't excuse Android 17 from not even attempting to block the attack and instead running away from the area. 17 doesn't lose stamina so if he wanted to get away from it, that means it's incredibly strong.
But why make them much stronger in the first place?
That doesn't make sense. The Mighty Mask costume was stated to be holding the kids back, and only Trunks was able to fight because Goten couldn't see. Without Super Saiyan, the kids were able to hold their own against her.
That's not what the fight shows or says. Stamina and regeneration doesn't help when you're 15x weaker than someone else, otherwise Gohan-Boo would have been able to hang with SSJ Vegetto and we know that didn't happen.
It is, but "based off" doesn't mean it's doing things the exact way or there wouldn't be filler. The anime is its own thing.
Yeah, Boo had that god ki inside him but he was completely incapable of utilizing it. Even someone with actual intelligence like Oob needed coaching from Dai Kaioshin to use it and help Goku against Moro.
I know what you're saying, but that doesn't change what the characters said and how the fights went. It's stated how Hit's Time Skip works. Vegeta got beat by Hit's Time Skip and it also affected SSJ Goku, therefore the two are close enough in power for the Time Skip to work on them. Someone thousands of times stronger than Hit is not going to be affected by the Time Skip, as we saw with Jiren.
That's not evidence Freeza was wrong. You have to find something to disprove him.
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Yeah the hellzone grenade was incredibly strong it took everything piccolo had if piccolo had hit 17 with a blast like that if cell had not interrupted them then the android would have most certainly been critically injured possibly killed and I think that is why he ran instead of putting up his barrier he knew he couldn't have stopped that. Also 17 has speed on his side but lacks raw power piccolo even said that earlier in the fight.
well their superhuman for one their strength puts them leagues above any other earthling on the planet and its not like their strength makes much of a difference anyway when battling opponents that way stronger than them cell, saiyans, androids, piccolo, etc.
well the kids are saiyans that in itself explains how plus no other normal earthling can fight 18 like that including krillin, tien, and yamcha.
Well Vegito is the fusion of vegeta and goku who are exceptionally strong fighters and prodigies plus their in perfect sync with each other whereas buuhan or gohan-boo as you call him only absorbed their power/techniques and relied on himself
the manga is based off the anime no matter how you slice it despite doing things differently it ultimately is for the same concept.
No I think kid buu could have used god ki it I mean nothing was holding him back plus his regeneration was extremely tough even for the normal majin he could do anything how do you know he wasn't using it in the final battle
No it didn't affect SSJ goku remember he was predicting hit timeskip if that was the case hit could have ended the fight a lot quicker than his fight with SSB vegeta using at his full power which was comparable to SSG power. When hit and SSJ goku were fighting hit's raw power was pressuring SSJ without God ki and hit was still holding back his power.
Frieza can't sense God Ki right?
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Chun's KHH is strongly implied to be above Oozaru Goku's level.
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Where GT at?
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1. Why is Oolong and Puar so much stronger than Bulma? If the Farmer is a 5 than Bulma should be a 4.
2. Why does Goku randomly go from 10 to 28 before even doing Roshi's training?
3. Nam should be way higher. He nearly beat Goku.
4. #8 was stated to be way stronger than Goku.
5. Why is Tao stronger than Post Korin Goku?
6. And why is Grandpa Gohan stronger than Goku? Why do you have Goku weaker than people he was beating?
7. Everyone thought Chappa was formidable even after seeing how strong Goku was before the tournament. He should be somewhat close to Kuririn and Yamcha.
8. Battle Level Goku >= Tenshinhan >> Match Level Goku > Roshi
2. Why does Goku randomly go from 10 to 28 before even doing Roshi's training?
3. Nam should be way higher. He nearly beat Goku.
4. #8 was stated to be way stronger than Goku.
5. Why is Tao stronger than Post Korin Goku?
6. And why is Grandpa Gohan stronger than Goku? Why do you have Goku weaker than people he was beating?
7. Everyone thought Chappa was formidable even after seeing how strong Goku was before the tournament. He should be somewhat close to Kuririn and Yamcha.
8. Battle Level Goku >= Tenshinhan >> Match Level Goku > Roshi
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they have magic abilities like transformation, bulma doesn't have any special powers except for her intellect.
well goku is a saiyan they grow stronger goku most likely does training on his own before he even met roshi.
for someone like him he's old news plus goku is stronger than he was before
#8 is an older android plus he can't grow stronger like saiyans can
tao probably has some sort of techniques that let him get ahead if only a little
grandpa goku is an experienced master it should stand to reason that he's stronger. Goku was most likely holding back against those people.
I don't know about that chappa was most likely weaker but wanted us know he was very strong.
Goku is still adapting his power so before he was weaker
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GT isn't canon
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by who did he show it
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Their magic doesn't make them any stronger
Chapter: 7, P10.1-2
Context: after Bulma squashes him in bike form
Oolong: “I can’t help it! I can only change my appearance; my power doesn’t change! To top it off, I can only stay transformed for 5 minutes. After that, I have to rest for 1 minute…”
No, Goku went straight to Kame House after getting his tail cut. He didn't train at any point before requesting to train under Roshi.
What are you talking about? Nam traded blows evenly with Goku and his skydive attack knocked Goku out cold for several seconds.
How is #8 being unable to grow stronger relevant to him being much stronger than Muscle Tower Goku? What kind of argument is this?
No he doesn't. Even Tao's Dodonpa couldn't defeat Goku.
No Goku's KHH was more powerful than Gohan's. Goku is definitely stronger than Grandpa Gohan regardless of experience.
Chappa was used as a benchmark for how strong Goku had become since the Baba Tournament. So he should be at least rivaling Baba Goku for Goku's friends to think an assumed stronger Goku would have his hands full with him.
You have Roshi equal to 22nd Goku and Tenshinhan when Goku's match level was stated to be stronger than Roshi.
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Yamcha was certain that the full power KHH would kill Goku. Roshi even had to confirm that he didn't aim it at Goku but at the moon.
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Neither is DBS anime
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?????????????????????????Neither is DBS anime
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I highly doubt that
