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Can Goku's deceased Grandpappy win it?
Grandpa Gohan vs. Tao Pai Pai (organic)
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Gohan was definitely closer to Goku than Taopaipai was.
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good 1 
but i think tao got rly embarrassed by goku
& grandpa-gohan put-up a more inspiring effort against goku
so i say grandpa-gohan
but i think tao got rly embarrassed by goku
& grandpa-gohan put-up a more inspiring effort against goku
so i say grandpa-gohan
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but goku took grandpa-gohan's kick head-on thoMike said:
The fights are pretty different. Once Tao gets serious he manages to do a pretty big combo on Goku, which hurts Goku a lot. Then Goku strikes back with his own and Tao surrenders. Whereas Goku vs Gohan has them trading blows one after the other.
In total Gohan manages to hit Goku 4 times (one of which Goku tanks with effort), not counting the tail grabbing part. Whereas serious Tao manages to hit Goku 7 times (and one time when he's not serious).
They both did better in different ways. Gohan had Goku on the defensive more in general (other than when Tao was using his sword, but that isn't a fair comparison imo), while Tao actually managed to hit Goku more times. The problem is that the fights are just so different. Goku vs Tao doesn't give much time for Goku to be on the defensive since Tao gets one big combo in, then gets combo'd himself and gives up. Serious Tao never actually tries and fails to hit Goku, while Gohan is constantly being blocked.
I think overall I'd give it to Tao. The fact he can get 7 hits in a row is a lot more impressive than Gohan, who's biggest combo was 2 hits. The first time Gohan hits Goku, Goku rebounds instantly. The first time serious Tao hits Goku, he manages to get 6 more hits in a row before Goku can react. A pretty huge difference actually.
In total Gohan manages to hit Goku 4 times (one of which Goku tanks with effort), not counting the tail grabbing part. Whereas serious Tao manages to hit Goku 7 times (and one time when he's not serious).
They both did better in different ways. Gohan had Goku on the defensive more in general (other than when Tao was using his sword, but that isn't a fair comparison imo), while Tao actually managed to hit Goku more times. The problem is that the fights are just so different. Goku vs Tao doesn't give much time for Goku to be on the defensive since Tao gets one big combo in, then gets combo'd himself and gives up. Serious Tao never actually tries and fails to hit Goku, while Gohan is constantly being blocked.
I think overall I'd give it to Tao. The fact he can get 7 hits in a row is a lot more impressive than Gohan, who's biggest combo was 2 hits. The first time Gohan hits Goku, Goku rebounds instantly. The first time serious Tao hits Goku, he manages to get 6 more hits in a row before Goku can react. A pretty huge difference actually.
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Was it the dub or didn't Goku say he let Tao hit him?Clearin said:
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Goku just says "Man! You are good! That really hurt!" in Viz.
On the next page he says "but now I've seen all your moves!! And I know how to fight back", which isn't in the strength checker but doesn't imply to me like he let Tao hit him.
On the next page he says "but now I've seen all your moves!! And I know how to fight back", which isn't in the strength checker but doesn't imply to me like he let Tao hit him.
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Goku let Tao hit him so he could get a sense for his fighting style. Tao was being outclassed pretty handily previously. He seems to be in a similar range that Goku was vs Cell or Zarbon was vs Vegeta. The opponent is just a bit too fast to truly compete with him.
Gohan was a match for Goku punch for punch.
Gohan was a match for Goku punch for punch.
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"now I've seen all your moves" does kind-of seem to imply that, I think. Goku said the same thing there I think I remember.
I wouldn't say it implies Goku let Tao hit him. More like he won't let it happen again because he knows Tao's moves.Fantastische Hure said:
Though these fights is a bit of a unfair comparison considering Tao was trying to kill Goku, while Gohan wasn't.
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There is no way in hell Tao could get a 7 hit combo on Goku at that kind of speed disadvantage. Goku has a history of letting his foes hit him to get a sense of their fighting style in Dragonball.
And there is no reason we can't compare the fights, they both fought all out against Goku, period.
And there is no reason we can't compare the fights, they both fought all out against Goku, period.
That was the first time Tao tried using hand-to-hand combat after getting serious. He starts off with a Dodonpa, which Goku blocks. Then he tries slicing Goku with the sword, and Goku dodges with great effort (and let's be honest, while Goku could easily get punched, he can't be sliced in half by a sword and keep the story going, Toriyama couldn't afford to let Tao hit Goku with the sword).
With the way Goku barely dodged each sword slice I think it's safe to say Goku could theoretically dodge a ton of Tao's punches, he was struggling enough that Tao could get a lucky shot. And Tao is strong enough that with that lucky shot, he could follow it up with a lot more before Goku can rebound.
All the earlier portions of the fight prior to the Dodonpa weren't Tao being serious so you shouldn't pay attention to them.
With the way Goku barely dodged each sword slice I think it's safe to say Goku could theoretically dodge a ton of Tao's punches, he was struggling enough that Tao could get a lucky shot. And Tao is strong enough that with that lucky shot, he could follow it up with a lot more before Goku can rebound.
All the earlier portions of the fight prior to the Dodonpa weren't Tao being serious so you shouldn't pay attention to them.
There's still a difference between fighting all out to knock out, and fighting to kill.
I found the source of the claim that Goku let Tao hit him.
When Tao is beating on Goku it's actually Upa who asks "Why are you letting him hit you?". I think that's more just due to Upa overestimating Goku/underestimating Tao. After all he did just see Goku dominate a none-serious Tao, so in his mind Goku was far above Tao, not to mention hope would have blinded him. Kinda like how #18 thought Piccolo and #17 weren't serious against Cell, or Gohan thought Goku wasn't using his full power against Cell. Neither Goku nor Tao say anything about Goku letting himself get hit though, and since all of the previous parts of Goku beating on Tao were due to Tao not being serious, I see no reason to disregard such a big feat.
When Tao is beating on Goku it's actually Upa who asks "Why are you letting him hit you?". I think that's more just due to Upa overestimating Goku/underestimating Tao. After all he did just see Goku dominate a none-serious Tao, so in his mind Goku was far above Tao, not to mention hope would have blinded him. Kinda like how #18 thought Piccolo and #17 weren't serious against Cell, or Gohan thought Goku wasn't using his full power against Cell. Neither Goku nor Tao say anything about Goku letting himself get hit though, and since all of the previous parts of Goku beating on Tao were due to Tao not being serious, I see no reason to disregard such a big feat.
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thx for finding itClearin said:
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Yes, Tao initially attacks Goku and is shocked by his ability. Tao then says he will get serious.
This also suggests that Tao has two different levels of power. The one he fought Pre Training Goku and Post Training Goku initially. His serious power is clearly a good deal more considering he is able to be more effective.
This is what we should be paying attention to. When Tao says he will get serious and then we see Tao get outclassed but he does manage to hit Goku once.
Then he says he is going to get seriously serious, which is why he brings out the Dodonpa.
Dodonpa is his trump card but that doesn't work so he brings out the weapon.
After all of that, I think for sure Goku is allowing Tao to hit him suggested by his confidence that he's seen all of Tao's moves as well as Upa's clear " why are you LETTING him hit you".
This also suggests that Tao has two different levels of power. The one he fought Pre Training Goku and Post Training Goku initially. His serious power is clearly a good deal more considering he is able to be more effective.
This is what we should be paying attention to. When Tao says he will get serious and then we see Tao get outclassed but he does manage to hit Goku once.
Then he says he is going to get seriously serious, which is why he brings out the Dodonpa.
Dodonpa is his trump card but that doesn't work so he brings out the weapon.
After all of that, I think for sure Goku is allowing Tao to hit him suggested by his confidence that he's seen all of Tao's moves as well as Upa's clear " why are you LETTING him hit you".
