Help finding a Toriyama interview

[Pyro]

So I remember there was an interview with Toriyama somewhat recently where he said something like he doesn't care about retconning/contradicting his past material. I can't find it on Kanzenshuu, though. Does anyone else remember something like this being said?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Honestly never heard about that, but if so, what respect was left for him as a creator just went out the window.

Only statement I remember him making even close to that was one in the Daizenshuu or SEG in which he referred to Dragon Ball as a contradictory series, though the context of that one was definitely more to do with him admitting to the limits of human perception in the creative process and not saying he didn't care about the writing quality of his work.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I never heard of it either. It'd be kewl though if some-one could find it. I'd like to see it too.

 

[Papasmurf]

The closest thing I remember to him saying something like that was him saying that as original creator, he could change any details of the series he wants, while secondary creators like Toei had to try and not contradict the original material (which is pretty funny since Toei contradicts shit all the time).

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

How recent you reckon it was? Kanzenshuu has a list of interview by debut order.

 

[Pyro]

I tried that but nothing.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

In this case…

Spoiler

 

[Tapion]

So I remember there was an interview with Toriyama somewhat recently where he said something like he doesn't care about retconning/contradicting his past material. I can't find it on Kanzenshuu, though. Does anyone else remember something like this being said?

As a matter of fact, I do!

I guess you could say that some things are difficult for anyone but the original author to write, because only the original author can freely mess around with what’s already been established. A scriptwriter would get tied up trying not to screw with the original story, so in that respect they’d probably have a harder time messing around with things.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

That sounds like what Kenshi said. Also to me that kind-of doesn't completely sound like "fack continuity plz. i'm the creator." that I was expecting.

 

[Pyro]

Thank you!

Well, to me, that's saying as the original author, he can "freely" do whatever he pleases while someone else would have a harder time trying not to mess things up.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Kind-of but it could also be interpreted as perhaps just establishing new things that hadn't been before. Something that a person that just works based on the original material can't do as not to mess it up for the progressing series.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Kind-of but it could also be interpreted as perhaps just establishing new things that hadn't been before. Something that a person that just works based on the original material can't do as not to mess it up for the progressing series.

Unlikely, considering messing with what's been established is a far different wording to establishing something new and Toriyama has already been fairly guilty of the former during the manga's original run (retconning Piccolo's Mazoku status, retconning #19 and #20 being in Trunks' timeline, etc.).

I do think your point would apply to the second sentence, however, as that is showing how someone in charge of another person's creative property needs a greater sense of care as to not tarnish their vision. I agree wholeheartedly with this, since a creator damaging their work's quality is still preferable to someone coming in and destroying all they had done (cough cough Disney Star Wars).

 

[Tapion]

Unlikely, considering messing with what's been established is a far different wording to establishing something new and Toriyama has already been fairly guilty of the former during the manga's original run (retconning Piccolo's Mazoku status).

He didn't, though? Piccolo Daimao is still a demon. Those killed by him can't go to neither Heaven nor Hell. This isn't retconned.

I guess you can say Piccolo Jr. isn't a demon, but that doesn't really qualify as a retcon, since he was never stated to be one to begin with. He is a separate being to Daimao.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I guess you can say Piccolo Jr. isn't a demon, but that doesn't really qualify as a retcon, since he was never stated to be one to begin with. He is a separate being to Daimao.

What I was referring to was how Piccolo Daimao and his son had clear demonic traits such as their victims not being able to rest after death, something that still applied for Piccolo as Kami noted it as being a sign of Piccolo changing rather than being a trait he lacked from his father altogether. None of that should be possible if they were simply aliens mistaken for demons.

 

[Tapion]

I guess you can say Piccolo Jr. isn't a demon, but that doesn't really qualify as a retcon, since he was never stated to be one to begin with. He is a separate being to Daimao.

What I was referring to was how Piccolo Daimao and his son had clear demonic traits such as their victims not being able to rest after death, something that still applied for Piccolo as Kami noted it as being a sign of Piccolo changing rather than being a trait he lacked from his father altogether. None of that should be possible if they were simply aliens mistaken for demons.

Piccolo is a reincarnation of Daimao, just like Oob is a reincarnation of Pure Boo. They aren't the same entity, and thus do not need to have the same abilities or traits.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Which would be a fine excuse if not for Kami's surprise and conclusion at why Goku and Raditz's souls weren't victim to purgatory being that Piccolo was having a change of heart, rather than him not having inherited that ability. If anyone should be aware of the differences between both Piccolos, it's Kami.

 

[Tapion]

Which would be a fine excuse if not for Kami's surprise and conclusion at why Goku and Raditz's souls weren't victim to purgatory being that Piccolo was having a change of heart, rather than him not having inherited that ability. If anyone should be aware of the differences between both Piccolos, it's Kami.

Was Kami ever shown to be aware of his Namekian heritage in the manga? If not, the assertion that he should be aware of the differences between the Piccolos is just as ungrounded.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah,I guess Toriyama is hitting at that the original author has the freedom to mesh with already established facts, in a more general sense, freedom that isn't given by other companies using such work, not necessarily that he will contradict previous facts if needed, although he has already done that.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Was Kami ever shown to be aware of his Namekian heritage in the manga? If not, the assertion that he should be aware of the differences between the Piccolos is just as ungrounded.

If he had clear knowledge of what happened to a Mazoku's victims after death, there's no reason to assume he wouldn't catch on to Piccolo's nature being fundamentally different to his father's.

Kami's knowledge (or lack thereof) of his heritage wouldn't strengthen or weaken that assertion as it's made apparent he lost his memory of it, as opposed to him being fully aware of a Mazoku's unique traits and, therefore, should also be aware on how they function.

 

[Tapion]

Kami has no idea of Piccolo's traits. He assumes they are the same as his father's, but he is clearly shown to be wrong. There is no reason to assume his word is reliable considering the context.