How many times stronger is Black Frieza over True UI Goku and Mega Instinct Vegeta?

[SIAD]

25x?

 

[Animelover5487]

I would say the gap is at least larger than say, Merged Zamasu vs the SSJBs Anywhere over 4-5x but don't see any reason for it be as high as 25x.

 

[SIAD]

I would say the gap is at least larger than say, Merged Zamasu vs the SSJBs Anywhere over 4-5x but don't see any reason for it be as high as 25x.

And 10x?

 

[Animelover5487]

And 10x?

Ehhhh, if you want to be generous with the power gaps, then yes.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Enormous. Freeza is probably stronger than fusion.

 

[SIAD]

Enormous. Freeza is probably stronger than fusion.

Black Frieza is >>> True UI Mega Instinct Vegetto?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Black Frieza is >>> True UI Mega Instinct Vegetto?

I’m not sure if Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego can even be mixed, but at least I think he’s > SSJB Gogeta.

 

[Papasmurf]

Do you think Vegetto/Gogeta can use either of the Godly techniques?

 

[Goku9001]

Enormous. Freeza is probably stronger than fusion.

That's a fair point because like you said, Frieza knew about fusion but had no issues leaving the two alive. Frieza likely does need to be stronger than Gogeta to warrant that kind of confidence unless he has a special ability that we aren't aware of.

 

[Papasmurf]

Beerus being stronger than UI/UE Gogeta seems a bit hard to swallow...

 

[Goku9001]

Beerus being stronger than UI/UE Gogeta seems a bit hard to swallow...

Who knows. It's not really out of the ordinary, I don't think. SSJBE Vegeta presumably reached a level around Gogeta Blue by the end of the Moro arc. I think that sort of powerscaling could be expected.

 

[Papasmurf]

Who knows. It's not really out of the ordinary, I don't think. SSJBE Vegeta presumably reached a level around Gogeta Blue by the end of the Moro arc. I think that sort of powerscaling could be expected.

Even assuming UI/UE multipliers are lowered for fusions it seems just so awkward for GoDs to be compared to the likes of Jiren and FT arc Vegetto in raw power only to be raised all the way to this ridiculous level where they dwarf theoretical UI Sign/SSJBE versions of Vegetto/Gogeta currently, let alone TUI and UE. Especially when SSJBE Vegeta against Granolah would greatly surpass UI Sign Goku from the Moro arc.

 

[Goku9001]

Even assuming UI/UE multipliers are lowered for fusions it seems just so awkward for GoDs to be compared to the likes of Jiren and FT arc Vegetto in raw power only to be raised all the way to this ridiculous level where they dwarf theoretical UI Sign/SSJBE versions of Vegetto/Gogeta currently. Especially when SSJBE Vegeta against Granolah would greatly surpass UI Sign Goku from the Moro arc.

It's too late for that. Beerus can literally one shot Broly.

 

[Papasmurf]

Why in the world is AT so adverse to Goku and Vegeta surpassing Beerus? He literally let them both surpass SPC without Goku turning SSJ3 in the Boo arc, made Mecha Freeza irrelevant even to Mecha Trunks and Yardrat Goku, and he let Merged Zamasu become old news at record speeds even to unfused Saiyans. Beerus was already a moving goalpost in the anime but with the manga giving both Goku and Vegeta multiple forms above Blue unlike the Super Hero movie and still making them fodder to Beerus it's really as if Whis gathers the Super DBs now and then to wish the GoDs to be the strongest in their universes and for Angels to be 1.5 times that

I bet in the manga continuity Jiren's also powered up a ton since the ToP to make him a goalpost to reach like the GoDs akin to the Super Hero movie lol.

 

[Goku9001]

Why in the world is AT so adverse to Goku and Vegeta surpassing Beerus? He literally let them both surpass SPC without Goku turning SSJ3 in the Boo arc, made Mecha Freeza irrelevant even to Mecha Trunks and Yardrat Goku, and he let Merged Zamasu become old news at record speeds even to unfused Saiyans. Beerus was already a moving goalpost in the anime but with the manga giving both Goku and Vegeta multiple forms above Blue unlike the Super Hero movie and still making them fodder to Beerus it's really as if Whis gathers the Super DBs now and then to wish the GoDs to be the strongest in their universes and for Angels to be 1.5 times that

I bet in the manga continuity Jiren's also powered up a ton since the ToP to make him a goalpost to reach like the GoDs akin to the Super Hero movie lol.

Honestly, after watching Super Hero, I think all of the GoDs were retconned to be above Broly.

 

[Papasmurf]

Did you watch that scene in the sub as well? I think the scene was a bit different in the sub than in the dub.

 

[Goku9001]

Did you watch that scene in the sub as well? I think the scene was a bit different in the sub than in the dub.

Yeah, I watched it in both. They were mentioned as the last benchmark for Goku and Vegeta to surpass. Makes it seem like they're stronger than Broly but it's never really made clear.

 

[Animelover5487]

Beerus being stronger than UI/UE Gogeta seems a bit hard to swallow...

Tbf, it's not confirmed if Vegetto/Gogeta can even use those forms.

 

[Papasmurf]

Tbf, it's not confirmed if Vegetto/Gogeta can even use those forms.

They should still be able to go SSJBE even if they can't use the Ultra forms

 

[SIAD]

Yeah, I watched it in both. They were mentioned as the last benchmark for Goku and Vegeta to surpass. Makes it seem like they're stronger than Broly but it's never really made clear.

What are you talking about?