How much stronger is Broly LSSJ over Jiren (Beyond Limits)?

[SIAD]

It would be nice to have:

Broly LSSJ = 105
UI Goku = 103
Jiren (Beyond Limits) = 100?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

According to the novel SSJ1 Broly > Jiren and maybe UI Goku. LSSJ Broly had Gogeta going Blue, so he’s probably 10x above Jiren.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

According to the novel SSJ1 Broly > Jiren and maybe UI Goku. LSSJ Broly had Gogeta going Blue, so he’s probably 10x above Jiren.

So:
Goku/Vegeta (SSJB Granolah arc) > SSJB Gogeta > LSSJ Broly > SSJ Broly > Jiren > UI Goku

 

[Pyro]

SSJ Broly is stronger than UI Goku, who's stronger than Jiren, by a decent amount at minimum (according to Freeza). SSJ Gogeta was slightly advantaged against SSJ Broly at best, so you apply the Blue boost on top of Super Saiyan and you get the difference between SSJFP Broly and Jiren. It's likely in the tens of times at least.

SSB Gogeta > SSJFP Broly > SSG Gogeta > SSJ3 Gogeta > SSJ2 Gogeta > SSJ Gogeta ~ SSJ Broly > UI Goku > Jiren

 

[SIAD]

SSJ Broly is stronger than UI Goku, who's stronger than Jiren, by a decent amount at minimum (according to Freeza). SSJ Gogeta was slightly advantaged against SSJ Broly at best, so you apply the Blue boost on top of Super Saiyan and you get the difference between SSJFP Broly and Jiren. It's likely in the tens of times at least.

SSB Gogeta > SSJFP Broly > SSG Gogeta > SSJ3 Gogeta > SSJ2 Gogeta > SSJ Gogeta ~ SSJ Broly > UI Goku > Jiren

So Broly SSJ is> UI Goku? Where is that stated?

 

[SIAD]

According to the novel SSJ1 Broly > Jiren and maybe UI Goku. LSSJ Broly had Gogeta going Blue, so he’s probably 10x above Jiren.

So Broly SSJ is> UI Goku? Where is that stated?

 

[Pyro]

So Broly SSJ is> UI Goku? Where is that stated?

When Broly turns Super Saiyan and makes that huge explosive wave, Freeza thinks to himself that nobody could beat him. He doesn't know Goku can't use Ultra Instinct at will so he would logically be including him.

 

[SIAD]

When Broly turns Super Saiyan and makes that huge explosive wave, Freeza thinks to himself that nobody could beat him. He doesn't know Goku can't use Ultra Instinct at will so he would logically be including him.

Interesting point, however it does not seem to be the case, otherwise we would have Beerus as 100x Bermod, considering that Moro (OG73I) is more powerful than Broly LSSJ.

We could also see that Broly SSJ did not appear to be multiple times more powerful than Goku / Vegeta SSJB, however the SSJBE is at least 25x the SSJB.

It is as if in the film neither the UI nor the SSJBE existed.

 

[Pyro]

Interesting point, however it does not seem to be the case, otherwise we would have Beerus as 100x Bermod, considering that Moro (OG73I) is more powerful than Broly LSSJ.

We could also see that Broly SSJ did not appear to be multiple times more powerful than Goku / Vegeta SSJB, however the SSJBE is at least 25x the SSJB.

It is as if in the film neither the UI nor the SSJBE existed.

It's unavoidable that Beerus is way stronger than Belmod and it'll keep getting bigger as the series continues. We just use the statements and feats given. It's stated SSJ Broly is stronger than anybody Freeza's encountered. Ultra Instinct exists in both continuities of Super so it wouldn't be like Blue Kaioken.

 

[SIAD]

It's unavoidable that Beerus is way stronger than Belmod and it'll keep getting bigger as the series continues. We just use the statements and feats given. It's stated SSJ Broly is stronger than anybody Freeza's encountered. Ultra Instinct exists in both continuities of Super so it wouldn't be like Blue Kaioken.

It could be, it could be justified that Belmod by trapping the Hakaishins in the Spheres, weakened them a lot.

My only problem with Broly SSJ> UI Goku (ToP) is that at the beginning of Arc Moro, Goku still comments about there being very powerful Warriors in other Universes and then mentions that they recently met Broly. Which means that at least Jiren must be in the same league as Broly.

 

[Animelover5487]

When Broly turns Super Saiyan and makes that huge explosive wave, Freeza thinks to himself that nobody could beat him. He doesn't know Goku can't use Ultra Instinct at will so he would logically be including him.

I think SSBE originally wasn't in Toriyama's script which is why Vegeta didn't use it against Broly, I mean it was kind of a needless powerup in the anime only existing to defeat Toppo's anime-only Haikaishin form and getting him up to Goku's Kaioken Blue level (which also probably wasn't in Toriyama's script).

As for UI, I think Freeza knew about it's weaknesses and the fact that it couldn't be used it. Freeza was rather invested in the technique in the anime and even fought alongside Goku against Jiren.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

So:
Goku/Vegeta (SSJB Granolah arc) > SSJB Gogeta > LSSJ Broly > SSJ Broly > Jiren > UI Goku

Not sure about Gogeta since he was worlds above Broly, but Goku and Vegeta at the very least fall somewhere in the middle.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Not sure about Gogeta since he was worlds above Broly, but Goku and Vegeta at the very least fall somewhere in the middle.

Goku and Vegeta are now both stronger than Broly

 

[SIAD]

@GreatSaiyaman123
@Pyro
@SSJ2

Do you think it could be possible that Gogeta PSSJB is multiple times stronger than Broly LSSJ?

What happens is that I find it difficult to see Broly LSSJ being many times stronger than Jiren, considering that at the beginning of Arc Moro, Goku still talks about how impressively strong the Warriors of other Universes are and then he talks about Broly as if not out of a very different league than Jiren's.

It could even be that Vegetto SSJB had a great Multiplier and that Gogeta PSSJB was tens of times stronger than Broly LSSJ.
Something like this:

Gogeta PSSJB >>>>>>>>>>> Gogeta SSJ2 (Hypothetical)> Broly LSSJ >>> Gogeta SSJ> Broly SSJ> = UI Goku (ToP)?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

He’s just saying Jiren and Broly are both stronger than he is.

 

[SIAD]

He’s just saying Jiren and Broly are both stronger than he is.

So if Broly SSJ is> UI Goku (ToP), it means that Goku / Vegeta SSJB are at least higher than 2% of UI Goku (ToP).

Did it mean that maybe Goku and Vegeta fired up while fighting Broly? Do not forget that Goku Base was able to fight a version of Broly Ikary that surpassed Vegeta SSJG. Also in the Manga, the narrator comments that in the fight against Broly, Goku and Vegeta became stronger than ever.

What do you think?

 

[Pyro]

@GreatSaiyaman123
@Pyro
@SSJ2

Do you think it could be possible that Gogeta PSSJB is multiple times stronger than Broly LSSJ?

What happens is that I find it difficult to see Broly LSSJ being many times stronger than Jiren, considering that at the beginning of Arc Moro, Goku still talks about how impressively strong the Warriors of other Universes are and then he talks about Broly as if not out of a very different league than Jiren's.

It could even be that Vegetto SSJB had a great Multiplier and that Gogeta PSSJB was tens of times stronger than Broly LSSJ.
Something like this:

Gogeta PSSJB >>>>>>>>>>> Gogeta SSJ2 (Hypothetical)> Broly LSSJ >>> Gogeta SSJ> Broly SSJ> = UI Goku (ToP)?

I don't think so. Gogeta was certainly a lot stronger and wasn't using 100% effort, but he was definitely putting in a good amount to get Broly down. Broly was just too strong to stay down even after multiple zesty attacks.

 

[MikaelHarding]

Guys
Jiren (Super Full Power): 12,100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Broly (LSSJFP): 11,200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

 

[MikaelHarding]

Granolah (Both Red Eyes) > Vegeta (Ultra Ego) > Goku (MUI) > Moro (Angel Form) > Jiren (SFP)
Whose power is said to exceed that of the 12 Gods of Destruction including Belmod, Beerus, Quitela, Champa, etc > Broly (LSSJFP) who's stated by Goku to probably be stronger than Beerus > Gogeta (SSJB) or SSJ4 = Vegito (SSJB) > the Gods of Destruction's

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Granolah (Both Red Eyes) > Vegeta (Ultra Ego) > Goku (MUI) > Moro (Angel Form) > Jiren (SFP)
Whose power is said to exceed that of the 12 Gods of Destruction including Belmod, Beerus, Quitela, Champa, etc > Broly (LSSJFP) who's stated by Goku to probably be stronger than Beerus > Gogeta (SSJB) or SSJ4 = Vegito (SSJB) > the Gods of Destruction's

Jiren wasn’t confirmed to be stronger than all gods, that was just a rumour. Beerus is not impressed by Jiren’s power in the ToP at all.

Goku doesn’t know how atrong Beerus is, so the comparison to Beerus was just an educated guess.