How strong was Kuririn during Freeza Arc?

[GSM123]

We know V-Jump places him at 75k, what most people find it really low. But what he has to prove he's above Ginyu? Vegeta even had to supress himself to be injured by Kuririn.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Higher than Captain-Ginyu for sure.

Probably in my opinion, at-least on-par with half of Freeza's power if he was going to be of any use against Freeza.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He'd need to at least be above 200k to be of any use here. Kienzan wouldn't be much of a factor, considering Vegeta can replicate it himself. Vegeta would still need to suppress his power to be hurt by him even if he were in the 200-300k range, since not only does Vegeta rival 1st form Freeza, but it'd be unlikely he'd gain a severe enough injury with his Ki at it's peak on the first try, even with his guard down.

 

[GSM123]

Couldn't Kuririn's usefulness be based on doing snack attacks on Freeza?
And did his power raise like Gohan's? Vegeta said both of them were growing stronger before fighting Freeza.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Couldn't Kuririn's usefulness be based on doing snack attacks on Freeza?
And did his power raise like Gohan's? Vegeta said both of them were growing stronger before fighting Freeza.

Do you really believe he'd be capable of launching a sneak attack when they're only a couple of metres away from Freeza, and in his sight no less?
Kuririn went from not far above 10k to solidly above 23k, so he was clearly getting stronger too. Most likely, Saichoro's potential unlock allowed his power to constantly increase up until that point, reaching a massive jump during the time after the Ginyu battle, much like Gohan's.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Vegeta was talking about their power when he was saying they can gang-up on Freeza, he specifically said they are getting stronger. Not that Kuririn can be a good shield for when things go wrong.

 

[GSM123]

Something pretty interesting i found out:

Chapter: 282 (DBZ 88), P15.1
Context: talking to Goku
Vegeta: “You seem confident after becoming so overwhelmingly strong, but you absolutely can’t win against Freeza like this! Not unless you were immortal! You don’t understand a thing about how fearsome Freeza is!”

Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P1.1
Goku: “I think that I’ve gotten pretty strong, if I say so myself…But you’re saying that I still absolutely can’t beat Freeza…!?”
Vegeta: “That’s right. If you want to fight him, you’d better prepare yourself. Freeza’s strength is most likely far beyond your imagination…”

Apparently, Kaioken Goku can't be useful against Freeza. So Kuririn >> K2 Goku.

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

He went from like 2,000 to 100,000. He held up well agaibst 2nd form Frieza. He shoukd have been blinked out of existence

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Something pretty interesting i found out:

Chapter: 282 (DBZ 88), P15.1
Context: talking to Goku
Vegeta: “You seem confident after becoming so overwhelmingly strong, but you absolutely can’t win against Freeza like this! Not unless you were immortal! You don’t understand a thing about how fearsome Freeza is!”

Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P1.1
Goku: “I think that I’ve gotten pretty strong, if I say so myself…But you’re saying that I still absolutely can’t beat Freeza…!?”
Vegeta: “That’s right. If you want to fight him, you’d better prepare yourself. Freeza’s strength is most likely far beyond your imagination…”

Apparently, Kaioken Goku can't be useful against Freeza. So Kuririn >> K2 Goku.

Maybe Vegeta was factoring Freeza's transformation as well.

 

[Jeff Styles]

Higher than 180k at the very least.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Something pretty interesting i found out:

Chapter: 282 (DBZ 88), P15.1
Context: talking to Goku
Vegeta: “You seem confident after becoming so overwhelmingly strong, but you absolutely can’t win against Freeza like this! Not unless you were immortal! You don’t understand a thing about how fearsome Freeza is!”

Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P1.1
Goku: “I think that I’ve gotten pretty strong, if I say so myself…But you’re saying that I still absolutely can’t beat Freeza…!?”
Vegeta: “That’s right. If you want to fight him, you’d better prepare yourself. Freeza’s strength is most likely far beyond your imagination…”

Apparently, Kaioken Goku can't be useful against Freeza. So Kuririn >> K2 Goku.

Vegeta also said that he, Gohan and Kuririn stood no chance against Freeza if Vegeta couldn't become immortal when they summoned Porunga, yet pulled a 180 a few minutes later. I'd be inclined to believe that trauma of serving Freeza so many years lead Vegeta to overstimate Freeza's power prior to their fight, at which point his judgement was far less clouded.

 

[Void]

Stronger than Ginyu.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Stronger than Ginyu.

But nobody surpassed Ginyu until Goku though.

 

[freezamite]

Something pretty interesting i found out:

Chapter: 282 (DBZ 88), P15.1
Context: talking to Goku
Vegeta: “You seem confident after becoming so overwhelmingly strong, but you absolutely can’t win against Freeza like this! Not unless you were immortal! You don’t understand a thing about how fearsome Freeza is!”

Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P1.1
Goku: “I think that I’ve gotten pretty strong, if I say so myself…But you’re saying that I still absolutely can’t beat Freeza…!?”
Vegeta: “That’s right. If you want to fight him, you’d better prepare yourself. Freeza’s strength is most likely far beyond your imagination…”

Apparently, Kaioken Goku can't be useful against Freeza. So Kuririn >> K2 Goku.

Vegeta also said that he, Gohan and Kuririn stood no chance against Freeza if Vegeta couldn't become immortal when they summoned Porunga, yet pulled a 180 a few minutes later. I'd be inclined to believe that trauma of serving Freeza so many years lead Vegeta to overstimate Freeza's power prior to their fight, at which point his judgement was far less clouded.

More than a trauma, it's just the context of the situation. In front of a pissed up Freezer and an inevitable battle, him motivating Krilin and Gohan so they could be of any help is something very basic.
Characters in DB lie all the time when lying serves their interests, and Vegeta was not someone who would be traumatised so easily (he wasn't traumatised even when he learnt that Freezer had destroyed his planet).

 

[Pyro]

Keeping up with Gohan for the most part, but falling behind due to the latter's additional zenkais.

Anywhere between 150,000 and 300,000 sounds good to me.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Anywhere between 10.001-529.999

 

[freezamite]

Keeping up with Gohan for the most part, but falling behind due to the latter's additional zenkais.

Anywhere between 150,000 and 300,000 sounds good to me.

But pre-zenkais Gohan is a wild card. How can you put Krilin above Ginyu? Any feat in particular? Because I can't even think of one, and no, the kienzan cutting Freezer's tail is not a feat since it was a sneak attack and the Kienzan was an OP attack that bypassed huge differences in power.

 

[Pyro]

Keeping up with Gohan for the most part, but falling behind due to the latter's additional zenkais.

Anywhere between 150,000 and 300,000 sounds good to me.

But pre-zenkais Gohan is a wild card. How can you put Krilin above Ginyu? Any feat in particular? Because I can't even think of one, and no, the kienzan cutting Freezer's tail is not a feat since it was a sneak attack and the Kienzan was an OP attack that bypassed huge differences in power.

No feats. Just a fat gut feeling from a fat boy.

 

[Void]

Keeping up with Gohan for the most part, but falling behind due to the latter's additional zenkais.

Anywhere between 150,000 and 300,000 sounds good to me.

But pre-zenkais Gohan is a wild card. How can you put Krilin above Ginyu? Any feat in particular? Because I can't even think of one, and no, the kienzan cutting Freezer's tail is not a feat since it was a sneak attack and the Kienzan was an OP attack that bypassed huge differences in power.

Pre zenkai Goku bested Ginyu and Vegeta considers him useless vs. Freeza.

Vegeta considers Krillin to be useful vs. Freeza.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Eh, Vegeta kinda flip-flops there.

He goes from thinking Goku can't handle Freeza unless he's immortal, to not being sure if Goku can handle Ginyu, to estimating that Goku and Ginyu are equals, to saying he'll need Goku to heal and get up to full-power so he could help against Freeza. Another thing to remember is Vegeta later yells at Krillin about Goku being unable to get a zenkai because he's a low class Saiyan.

So yeah, Vegeta considered him useless (sans immortality) early on, but after the battle with Ginyu, feels as though Goku is necessary when it comes to fighting Freeza.