Initial Sick SSJ Goku

[SSJ2]

When Goku first transformed, was he still above Pikkoro in power?

 

[GSM123]

Considering Piccolo said he was putting out close to full power, i think he was.

 

[Papasmurf]

I assume the FP was just his FP for his sick body at the time, Gero wasn't very intimidated by the reading he gave and it took him a while to do any noticeable damage to #19 while he was immediately shocked by Piccolo's power bursts

 

[SSJ2]

Aslo GSM123, even in the inital part of the battle when Goku is stomping 19, Piccolo says that he's very weak.

 

[GSM123]

I assume the FP was just his FP for his sick body at the time, Gero wasn't very intimidated by the reading he gave and it took him a while to do any noticeable damage to #19 while he was immediately shocked by Piccolo's power bursts

I assume #20's scouter has a limit and because Goku and the other surpased that limit, the number he saw was the max it could show. He thought #19 could handle Vegeta and only noticed he was weaker than Piccolo after he started pummeling him, after all.

Aslo GSM123, even in the inital part of the battle when Goku is stomping 19, Piccolo says that he's very weak.

I just checked, and only says this on Viz. Herms has him saying this:

Piccolo: “Son Goku is rushing the match for some reason…He’s already putting out close to his full power…But even so, what’s with that miserable condition of his?...”

I think with "Miserable condition" Piccolo means although he's close to his full power, he isn't hitting as hard as he should or moving as fast as he should. Likely this is because of Goku's lack of stamina, as a while ago he was exhausted by flying in base:

 

[SSJ2]

That quote seems odd to me. Goku can't suppress, so why wouldn't he be putting out his full power?

 

[Papasmurf]

I assume the FP was just his FP for his sick body at the time, Gero wasn't very intimidated by the reading he gave and it took him a while to do any noticeable damage to #19 while he was immediately shocked by Piccolo's power bursts

I assume #20's scouter has a limit and because Goku and the other surpased that limit, the number he saw was the max it could show. He thought #19 could handle Vegeta and only noticed he was weaker than Piccolo after he started pummeling him, after all.

Aslo GSM123, even in the inital part of the battle when Goku is stomping 19, Piccolo says that he's very weak.

I just checked, and only says this on Viz. Herms has him saying this:

Piccolo: “Son Goku is rushing the match for some reason…He’s already putting out close to his full power…But even so, what’s with that miserable condition of his?...”

I think with "Miserable condition" Piccolo means although he's close to his full power, he isn't hitting as hard as he should or moving as fast as he should. Likely this is because of Goku's lack of stamina, as a while ago he was exhausted by flying in base:

Gero didn't state he read Vegeta's power but that he can't win no matter what he transforms into so I think he got cocky after watching Kim assrape Galu rather than trying to read Vegeta's power.

Gero also says Goku's SSJ powa far surpasses his expectations and not his limitations of the scouter (plus retcon or not, #16 could read everyone accurately up til PC)

 

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Goku started close to FP and rapidly decreasing.

 

[GSM123]

That quote seems odd to me. Goku can't suppress, so why wouldn't he be putting out his full power?

Who the fuck knows.

Gero didn't state he read Vegeta's power but that he can't win no matter what he transforms into so I think he got cocky after watching Kim assrape Galu rather than trying to read Vegeta's power.

Gero also says Goku's SSJ powa far surpasses his expectations and not his limitations of the scouter (plus retcon or not, #16 could read everyone accurately up til PC)

Uh... If he says Vegeta is no match for #19 doesn't this mean he read his power? Like, the scouter is literally on his eyes.

The statement still doesn't make any sense if Gero read his power correctly, considering he laughed at his power yet he ragdolled #19. Him comenting on Goku being stronger than he thought doesn't necessarily means he didn't surpass the limits of the scouter.
And based on this, #16's seems to have a better scouter than Gero.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

#20 basically said Vegeta turning into a Super Saiyan wouldn't make a difference because Goku did the same and lost.

Sounds more like #20 being confident in the fact that #19 just won against Goku than any actual power measuring. When Vegeta knocked #19 on his ass, #20 was back to looking stupid and confused again.

#20's power radar is trash. It makes estimations up to a certain point. I feel like once a power far surpasses his calculated figures, it starts to randomize the readings.

 

[SSJ2]

So can SSJs actually suppress, or is the quote invalid? @GS

 

[Evil Vegeta]

#20 repeats himself when assessing Goku's power right after he transforms and when he's beating the snot out of #19.

No.20: “I see…You seem to have achieved a truly considerable power-up. It’s a strange technique…This greatly surpasses our calculated figures…”

No.20: “…Kuh…! Th-this power up greatly exceeds my estimated data…Th-this is bad. Like this, No.19 will run out of energy before he steals any power…”

It's not that Goku raised his power even more or anything like that. His radar just sucks whenever someone's power goes far above his original calculations.

 

[SSJ2]

Also wouldn't Gero be factoring in energy absorption when he says that Goku is no match?

 

[GSM123]

So can SSJs actually suppress, or is the quote invalid? @GS

Why would it make the quote invalid?

 

[SSJ2]

So can SSJs actually suppress, or is the quote invalid? @GS

Why would it make the quote invalid?

Well it's directly implying that SSJs can suppress, no? I thought t was common knowledge that it wasn't possible until mastery.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Also wouldn't Gero be factoring in energy absorption when he says that Goku is no match?

I don't think so. Absorbing Goku's energy only came up when #19 was shown to be such a scrub in comparison.

I honestly believe #20 thought #19 would've been enough to take Goku down.

Suppression doesn't seem to be the issue. Goku's condition was preventing him from utilizing all of his power.

 

[SSJ2]

I find the entire situation to be incredibly strange. This is one area of the manga that I can't ever figure out, and my opinion goes side to side like crazy.

I just don't understand Gero's cockiness.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

A lot of it just comes down to #20 believing none of them improved enough to be an issue for them.

Not spying on them during the Namek arc was bad. Not spying on them during the 3 yrs of training was also bad. That's what shitty calculations get you.

 

[SSJ2]

I'm going to drop the rest as I'm not really trying to argue with you here, EV. I don't really know what to say about the whole situation tbh.

Suppression doesn't seem to be the issue. Goku's condition was preventing him from utilizing all of his power.
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The way Piccolo words the quote is very weird to me. "He's already putting out" as if he expected him to start at less than maximum?

 

[Papasmurf]

A lot of it just comes down to #20 believing none of them improved enough to be an issue for them.

Not spying on them during the Namek arc was bad. Not spying on them during the 3 yrs of training was also bad. That's what shitty calculations get you.

I like how he spied on them when Nappa and Vegeta came but not when Freeza did. Like, really? He couldn't even notice two guys who make monkey Vegeta look like trash are approaching the earth with all his tech??